Bf.109E-3 (wnr. 1512); Bf. 109E- (?) (wnr.2312)

[Andreas Brekken]

Hello, Hans

Thanks for your additional information.

Regards,
Andreas B

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Mr Schmitt

Hi Hans,

Please can you give more information as to how you know Exactly where 1512 crashed. Do you have a photograph of the crash?

Thanks

Yes "we" have:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7444

I think it's that one: matches with RolandF data and with Hans description. I recognize the cows!

Regards, Franck.

[Mr Schmitt]

That is a great picture. It would be great if there is a more clear picture or a copy of the original. The reason is is that the werk nummer is painted just near the swastika and that would clear any doubt. It is a really good photo. I wonder who owns it?
Well done !!!

[ouidjat]

Let's Hans to confirm it is the one first before jumping to ceiling!
If it's the same he said HE got one original ...
And, if you're living close to the area, he said, too, the farm in the background was still existing.... You can check then!!!

Regards, Franck.

[Jim P.]

Where did the information of the Hermann incident for 18-Jun come from? Or more specifically that the machine was coded 'black 6'? I have the loss, but no code.

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by RolandF

My info comes from Prien´s JFV 5 p.37. Bergen-op-Zoom, as listed there, is most likely because I./JG 1 was operating from Dutch airfields. Same goes for 1st name "Georg".

Hello Jim,

The "source" doesn't indicate tactical number; that's what you mean?
I don't have this volume; difficult to check.

And, after his brilliant demonstration Hans doesn't confirm if the photo and farm match with the one I did put in earlier post.

Thanks Jim to raise this.

[Hans Nauta]

Dear all,

The Bf 109 on the picture is Wnr 1512. The farm on the background is that of family Bakker.

With regard to the cows on the photograph: during the crash landing a cow was mortally hit, loosing a leg. The surviving herd wasn't very impressed as cows were seen walking over the wing(s) some time after the incident. Wonder if part of the reported 40% damage was caused by that!

Regards,
Hans

[ouidjat]

Dear Hans,
thank you very much for your answer. Kind of you.
I really did want to let kind of speculation bad memory!
Cheers, Franck.

[Mr Schmitt]

Originally Posted by Hans Nauta

Dear all,

The Bf 109 on the picture is Wnr 1512. The farm on the background is that of family Bakker.

With regard to the cows on the photograph: during the crash landing a cow was mortally hit, loosing a leg. The surviving herd wasn't very impressed as cows were seen walking over the wing(s) some time after the incident. Wonder if part of the reported 40% damage was caused by that!

Regards,
Hans

Hi Hans, Fantastic information. Under the Swastika on the vertical stabilizer there is painted the werk nummer. Is it possible to see this in the original photo? Many thanks Mr Schmitt

[bill norman]

Thank you to all who answered my initial questions regarding Bf 109E-3 (wnr. 1512) - and to those persons who provided answers to questions raised by other participants. Actually, I posed the initial questions on behalf of a friend who was reluctant to become directly involved on the site: he simply raised the questions and I posted them. Members of this forum might be pleased to learn that my friend was so impressed by the help he has received that he has asked me to thank you all - and this I am very pleased to do! He has also asked me to announce that he is currently restoring the airframe to static condition (actually, I know for a fact that he has been working on the project for years!) The wreckage came into his possession some years ago and was recently it was reunited with its main data plate.

He has also asked me to point out that when the aircraft has been restored, it will probably be more original than the example currently being restored to fly. Thus, his No. 1512 will not be a replica. What could be re-straightened and repaired has been put back into the project: to date, there has been very little new build. There are many original parts going into the aircraft and any replacements are period 1940 or earlier. Even the electrics and hydraulics will be fully functional. He tells me that, when finished, his 109 will be just as though it was ready to be flown into combat - and in one way or another, your contributions will have helped.

Bill Norman (website: www.billnorman.co.uk)