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Old 23rd April 2005, 18:45
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Pilot of Ju 88G-6, WNr 620132 '4R+OR' on 31.12.1944

Hi.

Has anyone got the name of the pilot of this aircraft lost on this date?

He must either have been killed, wouded or have returned, as he is not on the missing list in the aircraft loss record.

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Old 23rd April 2005, 20:32
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Re: Pilot of Ju 88G-6, WNr 620132 '4R+OR' on 31.12.1944

The pilot was Hptm. Alfred Kühn. He may have returned with the a/c and that this a/c actually did not crash. All other three crewmembers (Seidel, Hoferichter and Schwartz) baled out over Allied territory (near Venlo) and ended up as POW's. Seidel and Schwartz were injured. The a/c and crew belonged to 7./NJG 2. Sources: RL2-III-1171/a and ADI(K) No. 69/1945. I believe Hptm. Alfred Kühn was later killed in April 1945 over Holland, but i have to check my files for that.
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Old 24th April 2005, 13:45
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Re: Pilot of Ju 88G-6, WNr 620132 '4R+OR' on 31.12.1944

Hi, John!

Thanks a lot for the additional information. I have included it in the loss report, pls see the updated report at:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_public.asp?lossid=4576

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Re: Pilot of Ju 88G-6, WNr 620132 '4R+OR' on 31.12.1944

Just following up on this "old" case. Does anybody have information that this Ju 88 WNr. 620132 returned to base after 3 men of the the crew baled out and became POW? It is certain that Hptm. Alfred Kühn returned to base. But did he with his a/c or do he bail out too????

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Re: Pilot of Ju 88G-6, WNr 620132 '4R+OR' on 31.12.1944

Hi John,

the only clue I can offer is from ULTRA - if the entry is correct regarding W.Nr.

CX/MSS/R.436/A/71 simply states 620132 was at Stade on 14/1/45.

The entry reads (the rows here appear as columns in the original document):

14.1
621897 621955
Ju.88 G6
Stade

14.1
621793 621800 621181 620132
Ju.88 G6
Stade

If correct, presumably Hptm. Kühn didn't bale out, otherwise the Ju88 would likely have been destroyed.

Cheers

Rod

PS - from the late-war ADI(K) Reports, here are other night fighters that didn't actually crash in Allied territory after crew baled out behind Allied lines. All the pilots concerned returned to their units:

ADI(K) Report No. 12/1945
18/12/44
8./NJG2
Ju88G-6 4R+MS
Pilot: Fw. Rudolf Haupt

ADI(K) Report No. 15/1945
24/12/44
3./NJG4
Ju88G-1 714523 3C+RL
Pilot: Uffz. Theo Reche

ADI(K) Report No. 21/1945
25/12/44
7./NJG4
Ju88G-1 712224 3C+SR
Pilot: Ofw. Otto Lechner

ADI(K) Report No. 26/1945
27/12/44
4./NJG3
Ju88G-1 714649 D5+AM
Pilot: Fw. Bruno Rupp

ADI(K) Report No. 266/1945
26/03/45
7./NJG3
Ju88G-6 D5+AR
Pilot: Oblt. Wolf Träger
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Re: Pilot of Ju 88G-6, WNr 620132 '4R+OR' on 31.12.1944

Thanks Rod, I think that is a clear indication that the a/c returned. Unfortunately the relatives of Hptm. Kühn have no documents at all.

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