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Old 18th December 2020, 12:08
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

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The first does show Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 61. ... "Gelbe 11" "Gigi", 7./JG 52. This unique WNF built Bf 109 G-10 has an old metal tailplane fitted to its airframe, a makeshift repair to keep it flying. to my knowledge, this is the only right side photo known of this peculiar plane:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-...YAAOSwRIJf2ugQ

Thanks Marc,
Have we seen the left side before?
Amazingly it has been previously IDed as "Schwarze 7" ! (Represented on a profile)

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Old 18th December 2020, 17:53
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Thanks Marc,
Have we seen the left side before?
Amazingly it has been previously IDed as "Schwarze 7" ! (Represented on a profile)

Cheers,
Franck.
You're welcome, Franck ! Yes, the left side has been published in the JaPo G-10/U4book, p. 69. The "Schwarze 7" is plain to see, probably because of the peeling off of the younger yellow coat for the later applied "Gelbe 11".

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Old 18th December 2020, 18:03
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Here is the "Black 7" ! (sic)
https://me109.info/display.php?a=e&l=en&fid=4613
The same machine Black 7/Gelbe 11 is pictured page 69 of "Bf109G-10_U4 - Production & Operational. JaPo", left side, and, as expected, the Yellow 11 isn't visible, while:
"A dark blotch covering the original markings merged with the first digit of the new marking and gave an impression of a dark number 7" (sic)
Right, but why writing "original marking" and "new marking" ?
And why the same "Dark blotch" is visible on right side with same "7"appearance?
Then the killer sentence (as usual !):
"A closer examination" !!!! Meaning: You don't see it because we print the thing on a B...t paper but WE see it - using the-closer-look instrument - on original, indeed.
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Soooo, we got TWO "7" dark blotch, we can suppose the "original marking" was a Black 7 and the "new marking" a "Gelbe 11".
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This said,
- Note the guys cleaned the exhaust stains before taking the picture (on right side) giving it a fake appearance.
-"Gelbe 11" isn't supposed to be 7.Staffel but 6. Staffel in II./JG52 as discussed before and elsewhere ...
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Thanks for the links Marc.
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Thanks Franck !

Notice also the Bf 109 G-14/U4 W.Nr. on the tailplane, I missed it out until Stefan Junck made me notice it. Seems to be W.Nr. 511 863.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hello Franck and Marc,
I too believe that “Gigi’s” tail was from a WNF-built G-14. I also think that its WNr. begins with “51” and that the fourth digit is an “8.” However, I was having difficulty with the third digit. I interrogated my database file and found two WNF-built G-14 WNr. blocks in the format of 5xx8xx: 5108xx and 5118xx. Finally, if the fourth digit is instead a “6,” then 5126xx can be added. This is all speculative as it depends on the fidelity of my database file, which is incomplete.
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Hello Franck and Marc,
I too believe that “Gigi’s” tail was from a WNF-built G-14. I also think that its WNr. begins with “51” and that the fourth digit is an “8.” However, I was having difficulty with the third digit. I interrogated my database file and found two WNF-built G-14 WNr. blocks in the format of 5xx8xx: 5108xx and 5118xx. Finally, if the fourth digit is instead a “6,” then 5126xx can be added. This is all speculative as it depends on the fidelity of my database file, which is incomplete.
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Thanks for your insight, Steve. The next photo of that plane will hopefully solve this riddle.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

A rare portfolio stemming from Uffz. Otto Twupak's heritage - he died 7 June 1944 as he stalled his Erla Leipzig built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 412440 "Weisse 11" trying to regain altitude over Fl.Pl. Le Mans, France, under attack by 8th Air Force P 47's.

The first part of this set shows him aboard and around WNF built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 15 772 "RH+JM" "Weisse 2", as he is being celebrated possibly at Wien-Seyring after 10 October 1943.

The second part does show him - either at Wien-Seyring or Frankfurt-Eschborn - in front and aboard an Erla built Bf 109 G-6 "Weisse 8" which shows all the features of a standard early 1944 G-6 with short radio mast and D/F loop. It's W.Nr. is uncertain as, for the known 4./JG 53 losses, two "Weisse 8" were lost in May 1944 : W.Nr. 412380 and W.Nr. 412447.

With all my thanks to Spektor for the pointer of the current historical media.com sale of those photos and Flugbuch von Uffz. Twupak which allows to precise an earlier eBay sale, 24 March 2017:
http://historical-media.com/id105c.htm
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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

"Gigi" with a bit of Photoshop adjustment, although I still wouldn't want to give a definite opinion on the W.Nr.
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"Gigi" with a bit of Photoshop adjustment, although I still wouldn't want ot give a definite opinion on the W.Nr.
Thanks Nick ! We thus can clearly read 5xx863, 510863 or 511863 being the best options. Placed under torture, i would rather vote for 510863.

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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hi there Gang,

We have here the best photo so far from RHAF Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 612 780 "Fekete 15", 101 Vadaszsezred, Neubiberg, seen in late 1945.

Source: ://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-US-GI-View-Captured-German-MESSERSCHMITT-Me-109-Fighter-plane-15/154281637973?hash=item23ebe6f855:g:fiwAAOSwdLlf92G c
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