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Old 10th November 2014, 18:31
Theo Boiten Theo Boiten is offline
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Identity Abschuss Hptm. Frank 2./NJG1 nr. Veghel 21-22 June 1943?

Dear all,

When I was re-analysing the 21-22 June 1943 Krefeld raid losses versus the documented German Nachtjagd and Flak claims for the NJWD 2nd edition, I came across the following Nachtjagd claim for which I cannot find a matching Bomber Command loss, who can help?:

Hptm. Hans-Dieter Frank: 35 2./NJG1 Halifax 1 km. W. Veghel (Himmelbett): 6.400 m. 01.48 Note: victory confirmed 19.12.1944


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Old 12th November 2014, 23:06
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Re: Identity Abschuss Hptm. Frank 2./NJG1 nr. Veghel 21-22 June 1943?

Theo,
That was Halifax I, KN-Y, JD205, 77 Sqdr.
Came down between Esch and Boxtel near Landgoed "Den Eikenhorst"
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Old 12th November 2014, 23:18
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Re: Identity Abschuss Hptm. Frank 2./NJG1 nr. Veghel 21-22 June 1943?

Hi Theo and Frans,

I had Frank's victory as: HR685/TL-X of 35 "Madras Presidency" sqn. F/L T H Lane DFC RCAF and crew all POW...

....and attributed to Manfred Meurer the loss of JD205/KN-Y of 77 sqn. Sgt. J Gardner and 3 others POW, one man evaded capture and 2 men KIA

...Does that help or add to the confusion?
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Old 13th November 2014, 13:46
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Re: Identity Abschuss Hptm. Frank 2./NJG1 nr. Veghel 21-22 June 1943?

Dear Frans and Nick,

.. well I've come to different conclusions/matchings, here's an extract from the claims listings for 21-22.6.43 taken from the manuscript of the NJWD 2nd edition:


Lt. Werner Baake: 4 1./NJG1 Wellington 3 km. SW Bergeyk (Himmelbett): 5.000 m. 01.30 429 Sqn Wellington HZ520. Note: also claimed by Flak of 4./gem.Abt. 591 (Wellington SE Bergyek 01.32 hrs), victory Lt. Baake confirmed
Maj. Werner Streib: 55 Stab I./NJG1 Stirling 4 km. WNW Oploo (5B): 7.000 m. 01.30 7 Sqn Stirling EF387
Oblt. Gerhard Raht: 6 4./NJG3, det. 1./NJG1 Stirling Melsele, 12 km. W. Antwerpen: 3.800 m. 01.32 15 Sqn Stirling BK815
Lt. Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer: 13 Stab II./NJG1 Stirling nr Langdorp, 3 km. NE Aerschot (Meise): 4.300 m. 01.33 218 Sqn Stirling BK712
Maj. Günther Radusch: 23 Stab II./NJG3, det. Stab I./NJG1 Halifax Klein Oirlo, NNW Venlo (Himmelbett): 5.500 m. 01.34 35 Sqn Halifax HR799. Note: also claimed by Flak of Flak Rgt. 24 (8.-9., 14.-18. and 22./z.b.V. 5707, Halifax Straelen 01.35 hrs), victory Maj. Radusch confirmed
Hptm. Siegfried Wandam: 10 1./NJG5, det. Stab II./NJG1 Wellington 4 km. N. Roermond (Himmelbett): 5.400 m. 01.34 429 Sqn Wellington HZ517
Lt. Werner Baake: 5 1./NJG1 Halifax 3 km. S. Uden (Himmelbett): 3.000 m. 01.37 35 Sqn Halifax HR848
Hptm. Hans-Dieter Frank: 34 2./NJG1 Halifax 500 m. E. Kaathoven (Himmelbett): 5.500 m. 01.37 158 Sqn Halifax HR735
Hptm. Wilhelm Herget: 33 Stab I./NJG4, det. 3./NJG1 Wellington Neerkant, NNW Roermond (Himmelbett): 5.200 m. 01.38 166 Sqn Wellington HE924
Lt. Wilhelm Johnen: 1 5./NJG5, det. 2./NJG1 Halifax Rucphen, 5 km. E. Roosendaal (prob. Biber): 5.300 m. 01.43 419 Sqn Halifax W1271
Hptm. Siegfried Wandam: 11 1./NJG5, det. Stab II./NJG1 Stirling ½ km E. Achel, 34 km N. Hasselt (6A): 3.600 m 01.45 7 Sqn Stirling EF366. Note: also claimed by Flak of 3. & 4./gem. Abt. 591 (Stirling Achelm 700 m. 01.40 hrs), victory Hptm. Wandam confirmed
Hptm. Manfred Meurer: 50 3./NJG1 Halifax ½ km. SW Wamel (Himmelbett): 5.500 m. 01.48 35 Sqn Halifax HR685
Hptm. Hans-Dieter Frank: 35 2./NJG1 Halifax 1 km. W. Veghel (Himmelbett): 6.400 m. 01.48 158 Sqn Halifax HR735. Note: same claim as Hptm. Frank 01.37 hrs, both claims confirmed as full victories
Hptm. Eckart-Wilhelm von Bonin: 16 6./NJG1 Stirling 3 km E. Maarheze, 18 km. SE Eindhoven (6B): 2.300 m 01.50 218 Sqn Stirling BK722. Note: also claim by Flak of 3. & 4./591, victory credited to Hptm. von Bonin 20.12.1944
Lt. Heinz Strüning: 30 2./NJG1 Lancaster sea 40 km. W. Goeree (JG 53 d, Himmelbett): 5.200 m. 02.02 156 Sqn Lancaster ED885
Hptm. Hans-Dieter Frank: 36 2./NJG1 Halifax 4 km. NW Boxtel (Himmelbett): 6.600 m. 02.09 77 Sqn Halifax JD205
Hptm. Heinrich Wohlers: 11 Stab IV./NJG4, det. 3./NJG1 Halifax 2 km. E. Kempen (5B): 5.000 m. 02.12 408 Sqn Halifax JD209. Note: also claimed by Flak of z.b.V. Battr. (8.-10., 14.-18. & 22./5707 (Halifax St. Hubert 02.11 hrs), Flak claim marked 'VNE', victory Hptm. Wohlers confirmed


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