Ju86P/R losses

[Brian Bines]

I was trying to make up a list of losses of Ju86P/R models and found very few of the 37 built. There are several mentions from various sources stating a Ju86 was shot down by a Spitfire over the Med. on 24th Aug 1942. I could not find this on the Q.M's returns only a Ju88A4 LI+NL wn 140095 missing from a mission to Alexandria probaly to enemy action on this day. Would this be the Spitfires victim or did a Ju 86 also fail to return on the 24th.
One of the websites concerning the Ju86 also said one was shot down over Moscow by Spitfires of the 16th.Regiment in early 1944, was one lost in such circumstances or is the year/type of aircraft wrong.
Any help appreciated,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Larry deZeng]

Some coverage here:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=17083

[Brian Bines]

Larry,

Thanks for that, all I picked for 2(F)/123 was 29-8-42 w.n. 5144 ditched following engine trouble crew rescued ( see Do24 site), 6-9-42 wn 5101 60% in crashlanding Bir el Abd following Feindbeschuss, 11-11-42 wn 0479 15% in crashlanding FIPI Gadurra, and 2-7-43 4U+IK crew of Ltn. Stock missing from mission to Alexandria,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Larry deZeng]

That's all I found for 2.(F)/123, too, Brian. There were others in service with other units, of course, but I'll let you fish those out! L.

[RT]

Hello Brian,

Here to complete, but if you hv the Wn of the planes converted , I could maybe give you more..

JU86P-2 860454 T5+VH T,+,M Aufkl,gr, OBDL Griechenland Herbst 1944 Jumo207B3V Turbolader MSD84 1940 Umbau P-2 1942 Umbau R-1 Tatoi FP-Eleusis A,I,2G/262-MAAF 955 Bilder
JU86P-3 5161 DD+GE 30 1 45 Rheinmetall-Borsig Sonder Prüfung gr, HW5 656
JU86R 5147 18 11 44 X HW5 619
JU86R-1 5105 13 8 44 Gardelegen HW5 566
JU86R-1 5105 27 8 44 Flensburg HW5 576
JU86R-1 5147 BD+NF 15 7 44 Fühlsbüttel HW5 548
JU86R-1 5147 Flak Schule 10 10 44 Dringend erfordert Fühlsbüttel HW5 601
JU86R-1 860285 T5+W8 1938 Aufkl,gr, OBDL Griechenland Herbst 1944 1941 Umbau R-1 Tatoi FP-Eleusis A,I,2G/262
2 1 45 Auf,gr, OBDL Eleusis Zerst,eig,tr, JU86P-2 860454 T5+VH 100
2 1 45 Auf,gr, OBDL Eleusis Zerst,eig,tr, JU86R-1 860285 T5+W8 100

Remi

[Brian Bines]

Hello Remi,

Good to hear from you and many thanks for the information, I would be grafeful for any details available,

Regards

Brian Bines

[RT]

Here are some more,

JU86R-1 5105 11 42 Bombenschacht+Bilgeräte eingebaut Merseburg
JU86R-1 5135 11 42 Bombenschacht+Bilgeräte eingebaut Merseburg
JU86R-2 5097 11 42 Bombenschacht+Bilgeräte i, Einbau Merseburg
JU86R-1 5147 11 42 Bombenschacht+Bilgeräte i, Einbau Merseburg
JU86P-1 462 0462- 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet v, Luftdienst Straussberg Merseburg
JU86P-1 5096 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86P-2 5093 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86P-2 5110 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86P-3 433 0433- 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86R-1 293 0293- 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86P-2 294 0294- LDK-Straussberg 11 42 Ersatz f, 0462 Merseburg
JU86P-3 5126 11 42 An VHF Orianenburg abgegeben
JU86P-3 296 0296- 11 42 Nach erledigung des flugprogrammes abgegeben an VFH erprobung Dreiachsensteuerung
JU86R-1 454 0454- 11 42 Bildgeräte eingebaut flugprogramm dann abgegeben an VFH
JU86R-1 421 0421- 11 42 Bildgeräte eingebaut flugprogramm dann abgegeben an VFH
JU86R-1 5147 11 42 Beim Umrüstung Merseburg

Remi

[Brian Bines]

Remi,

Thanks again for the list,

Brian

[Bruce Dennis]

Originally Posted by RT

Here are some more,...

Am I reading that correctly? 16 losses of Ju86 in November 1942? What was going on?

Regards,
Bruce

[RT]

JU86P-1 462 0462- 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet v, Luftdienst Straussberg Merseburg
JU86P-1 5096 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86P-2 5093 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86P-2 5110 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86P-3 433 0433- 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg
JU86R-1 293 0293- 11 42 Wird ausgeschlachtet Merseburg

Not just those ones are written-offs , further nov. 42 is just the date where the notice was given .

The others hv to be modified to P/R models

Remi