Kü.FI.Gr.606 vs K.Gr.606

[Chris Goss]

Peter-No. Looking at the Luftflotte records for October 1940, it refers to them as KGr 606. I feel the differentiation came when it stopped being a purely maritime unit but even in August 1940 it was attacking land targets. I feel the answer is not as easy or cut and dried as one would hope

[Nick Beale]

I did see something on the Seekriegsleitung KTB noting that the last remaining Kfl.Gr. had become a KGr. and so the Navy no longer had such support. I can’t now remember which unit or the month but it’s a source that might be worth exploring.

[Peter Cook]

Thanks again for the replies - Peter.

[Larry deZeng]

Originally Posted by ju55dk

DeZeng and Stankey's Bomber Units of the Luftwaffe 1933-1945, Volume 2 are totally wrong on this. As you can see from attached picture, in september 1940 it was still KüFlGr 606.
Junker

Jörn: see Chris Goss Post No. 11 on this thread. I know everyone else is always wrong while you are always right, but the jury is still out on this one.

L.

[RT]

Nick , i think that the last units were the 1.Kü.Fl.Gr.406 nd 1.Kü.Fl.Gr.906, noted like that on documents late on the war, KTM OKM till may/june 1943, after that date they were named, KGr. , only Ultra named them with the old acronym in 1944...

Rémi

[RT]

Possibly switch become obvious for everybody, when these units clearly, were used to use Land-planes, question is how many time it takes to most of the people to no more consider a marine unit using land-planes as a marine unit ..
Rémi

[Mikael Olrog]

In the Einsatsbereitschaftsmeldung for 26 October 1940 the following is stated for Kampf-Verbände: Soll Vermindert durch III./KG 30 mit 30 Ju 88 und erhöht durch Aufnahme der K.Fl.Gr.606 mit 36 Do 17 Z.



Under the heading "Flieger-Verbände Ob.d.M. Küstenflieger F" where the unit had been reported up until then, the following is stated: Soll vermindert durch K.Fl.Gr.606, die unter Kampfverbänden aufgeführt ist.

[ju55dk]

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

Jörn: see Chris Goss Post No. 11 on this thread. I know everyone else is always wrong while you are always right, but the jury is still out on this one.

L.

I'm not allways right. But I posted the frontpage of the units KTB, covering 1-15 september 1940. It clearly states KüFlGr. Chris is talking about october 1940. I will look forward to be proven wrong, in the case of 606.
Junker

[Larry deZeng]

Originally Posted by ju55dk

I'm not allways right. But I posted the frontpage of the units KTB, covering 1-15 september 1940. It clearly states KüFlGr. Chris is talking about october 1940. I will look forward to be proven wrong, in the case of 606.
Junker

Jörn: I remember spending hours and hours 30 years ago trawling my way through conflicting documents and books trying to find the definitive date for the 606 change in designation, but finally I had to pick one from an offering of poor choices. I think others have been forced to do the same. So, I will do what you are doing: wait until proven wrong:

KGr 606
Kampfgruppe 606
(Unit Code 7T+)

Formation. (Nov 39)
Formed 1 November 1939 at Kamp/15 km WSW of Kolberg on the Baltic in Pomerania with a Gruppenstab and 1. – 3. Staffel, all new. Originally intended as a Küstenfliegergruppe, the comprehensive reorganization order for the entire Küstenflieger arm that was issued on 25 October 1939 directed it to begin conversion to the Do 17 effective 1 November as an intended Kampfgruppe, thus changing its mission and classification. Moved to Kiel-Holtenau very shortly after assembling at Kamp to be equipped and begin training, which lasted until the beginning of April 1940.

[Sources Used: Tessin-Tes; J-P.Défieux-Répertoire des Unités Aériennes de la Luftwaffe 1935-1945: Reconnaissance Aéronavale; C.Shores-Fledgling Eagles: The Complete Account of Air Operations During the ‘Phony War’ and Norwegian Campaign, 1940:99, 272, 346; M.Holm-website ww2.dk; S.Neitzel-Einsatz der deutschen Luftwaffe über den Atlantik und der Nordsee 1939-1945:67, 75, 109, 135; F.Kurowski-Seekrieg aus der Luft:77, 146-47, 259, 293-94; U.Balke-KG 2/Bd. I:407, 413; W.Ramsey-The Blitz Then and Now/v.2:435; Carlsen/Meyer-Die Flugzeugführer-Ausbildung…./v.2:403.]

[ju55dk]

Another original document.
Junker