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September 2nd, 1943 - Lille-Merville combat
Dear forum members,
About the clash between the 56FG/63FS USAAF and II./JG 26 on the 2nd of September 1943 over Hauts-de-France: What was the time frame in which the combat took place? Is there a book with more information about this combat? Kind regards, Timon |
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Re: September 2nd, 1943 - Lille-Merville combat
This should tell you what you have requested.
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Re: September 2nd, 1943 - Lille-Merville combat
USAAF side:
VIII Bomber Command # 1st & 4th Bomb-Wings RAF 11 Group Ramrod S.24 BRUSSELS/EVÈRE & BEAUVAIS/TILLÉ 17.20 z: 319 (34) B-17 Fortress: unable Target VIII Bomber Command dispatched five ATFs on 2nd September, 1943, to bomb targets as follows: First ATF against an airdrome north-west of Paris (Beauvais/Tillé) with one CBW. Second ATF against airdromes west of Paris (Évreux/Fauville and Conches) with one CBW; Third ATF against airdromes (Lorient and Vannes) along the southern coast of Brittany with one CBW. Fourth ATF against an airdrome in the Brussels area with two CBWs. And the Fifth ATF against an airdrome on the southern coast of France with one CBW. All attacks were to be made between 18.00 and 19.00 hours. Due to weather and cloud conditions in the vicinity of the targets, the First ATF abandoned its mission over enemy territory; the Second ATF was re-called when information was received that the 1st ATF had abandoned the mission, because this force (2nd ATF) was un-escorted and the bulk of enemy fighters in the area could be directed against it. Third ATF abandoned its mission, when over the French coast, due to weather and cloud conditions. Fourth ATF was unable to find the Primary-Target due to weather and cloud conditions and one Group bombed Dunkirk/Mardyck airdrome, and one Group a target at Valenciènnes/Denain, both being Targets-of-Opportunity. Fifth ATF abandoned the mission when in the vicinity of Brest due to weather and cloud conditions. Ref: VIII FC Narrative of Operations (Air 40/438) 1st ATF Escort-Support: US 65th FW 4th FG 48 P-47 Thunderbolt 16.40-19.00 FO 120 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 1 Cat.Em Fighter HB-S: Task abandoned Cat.Em 02.09.43 1/Lt. Dale B. Leaf: KIA 4th FG 334th Sqn. P-47C-2 QP-I JG 2: Formerie US 66th FW 78th FG 48 P-47 Thunderbolt 16.45-18.40 FO 120 0 - 0 - 0 n/a No casualty HB-S: Task abandoned 4th ATF Escort-Support: US 66th FW 353rd FG 48 P-47 Thunderbolt 17.46-19.40 FO 120 0 - 0 - 0 n/a No casualty HB-S: Task abandoned US 65th FW 56th FG 38 P-47 Thunderbolt 17.51-20.15 FO 120 0 - 0 - 0 n/a 2 Cat.Em Fighters HB-S: Task abandoned Cat.Em 02.09.43 2/Lt. Walter J. Hannigan: KIA 56th FG 63rd Sqn. P-47D-1 42-7934 UN-U FW 190s: S.W. Ghent Cat.Em 02.09.43 1/Lt. Wilfred A. Van Abel: P/W 56th FG 63rd Sqn. P-47C-5 41-6537 UN-Q FW 190s: Hazebrouck Cat.E 02.09.43 1/Lt. John W. Vogt: OK 56th FG 63rd Sqn. P-47C-5 41-6375 UN-T Crash-landing Eastchurch German side: 02.09.43 Ltn. Josef Wurmheller 9./JG 2 P-47 05 Ost S/1034: 1.000 m. 19.05 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr. – 02.09.43 Ltn. Kurt Goltzsch 5./JG 2 Spitfire 05 Ost S/1136: tiefflug 20.12 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr. – 02.09.43 Uffz. Karl Ehret 6./JG 26 P-47 Merville: 7.000 m. 20.18 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr.139 02.09.43 Hptm. Johannes Naumann: 23 ► Stab/JG 26 P-47 Raum Merville: 6.500 m. 20.21 Film C. 2031/II VNE: ASM 02.09.43 Ltn. Dieter Kehl: 2 ► Stab/JG 26 P-47 10 km. E.N.E. Etaples: 7.000 m. 20.25 Film C. 2031/II VNE: ASM 02.09.43 Fw. Wilhelm Mayer: no (n.L., 4) ► 6./JG 26 P-47 Lille-Merville 20.30 Reference: JG 26 MSS All the above from Tony Wood's files (German hour = Allied hour + 1 hour IIRC) According to the combat report linked to Hannigan's report, they engaged enemy aircraft at 1910 hrs (Allied time) and at 1921 hrs were bounced by around 20 Fw 190s. Hannigan and van Abel were number 3 and 4 of Col Zemke's flight and were not seen afther the bounce. See: https://www.fold3.com/image/38294161?terms=hannigan |
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Re: September 2nd, 1943 - Lille-Merville combat
Thanks to both! I am very interested because both USAAF airmen killed do not have a known grave. Second, one P-47 loss was given the crash time 18:30 (France-Crashes 39-45) which isn't possible because the aircraft crossed the coast at 18:36.
LW claims by Michael Balss gives Kehl and Naumann as belonging to Stab II./JG 26, not Stab/JG 26. The source he lists is C.2031/II. |
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Re: September 2nd, 1943 - Lille-Merville combat
Are these reports available on Fold3?
It is almost unbelievable the Group Commander Zemke had two of his flight missing... I guess bad luck? |
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Re: September 2nd, 1943 - Lille-Merville combat
No, they are not available on Fold 3. They were very kindly copied for me at Archives II by Ted Damick. The mission folders are at Archives II in Maryland.
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