QU+PN fake or real

[gogh]

Dear Members

In the German magazin "Klassiker der Luftfahrt 1-2007
from Flug Revue is a drawing of a Me323 E-1 with QU+PN .I can't find it in Schiffers Me321/323 book.
I doubt if it is a real stammkennzeichen.

reagards
Peter van Gogh

[GrahamB]

Hi Peter,

this could be real. There is a rather grainy print of an in-flight "Me 323 E-3" on page 37 of "Messerschmitt ME 321/323 Giants of the Luftwaffe", by H. Dabrowski. It appears to have the code QU+PD or QU+PO under the wings (I'd bet on the former). Your reference may be another in this sequence.

Cheers

GrahamB

[gogh]

Thanks Graham

Regards
Peter van Gogh

[JoMe]

Hello

It doesn't give a skz, beginning with letter "Q".
Thats all reading-faults.
I have found Me 323 E-1 with skz DU + PA - DU + PO in my skz-list.
I think, that's what you search.

JoMe

[gogh]

Hi JoMe

Whats the source of Your Me323 E-1 stkfz.
And are you sure about that the Q neverwas used.
I have seen a picture of a He219 A-7 in this book
"Warplanes of the Luftwaffe Combat aircraft of Hitlers luftwaffe 1939-1945" D.Donald Barness & Noble books
with reg. on the side QT+NY.
In the stkfz list I make for Peter Evans I have some 16
other stkfz also beginning with a Q.

Regards

Peter van Gogh

[Tom1UK]

Hi peter

The Stkz for the Me 323E-1 DU+PA to PO; W/Nr.130041 to 130055

Regarding the use of Q in the Stkz sequences is a mistake/typos/errors and for the He 219 a postwar addition to an original foto/painting of that a/c.(I think? I cannot get to my books at present but I have seen something very similar)

The letter O was used as a simplified use of the pre-war civil regs. I have many fotos of the use of E & O for early & mid 1940 and at least 1 as late as 1944

Can you give a list of your Qs and i will try and give you possible corrections or answers

Regards

Tom Willis

[Dennis Peschier]

Tom,
Are you sure about the "Q"not being used? In Focke Wulf, by Rodeike, page 258 there is a picture of VQ+VC, Fw190A7 642545.
I also found:
BH+QQ 1478 Ju88A4
GA+QQ 10200023 He177V102
GQ+QN 190 Ar196
NN+QQ 535550 He177V101
NQ+MQ 110619 Me262A-1a
RQ+QN 131300 Ju52/3m8ge

If you are right I have made a lot of typing errors.

Dennis

[Peter D Evans]

All the Q?+?? codes mentioned by Peter can be found as part of the LEMB Sktz Database Project, a direct to link to which can be found below:

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/stam-q.html

As for a He219A-7 coded QT+NY, there is nothing listed that is anywhere near this in the "Other Known Werknummern or Signs" of "Heinkel He219, An Illustrated History" by Roland Remp [Schiffer, 2000]. The image in "Luftwaffe Combat Aircraft of Hitlers luftwaffe 1939-1945" appears to be a heavily retouched wartime photo...

Kind regards,

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[Tom1UK]

Hi Dennis

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. I should have made it clear that the Q is the lead letter.

eg: QU+PN as in the title 'QU+PN fake or real'

The letter Q was used in all other sequence letters; 2nd, 3rd & 4th

Hope this makes it clear

Regards

Tom Willis

[Dennis Peschier]

Ok Tom,
I get it now.

Dennis