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Old 10th May 2016, 16:11
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Re: Korean War Aircraft Loss Database

Also most MiG15 losses were flown by non Soviet pilots who were not as well trained as Soviet pilots.

Russian Aces over Korea

http://acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html
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Old 10th May 2016, 20:57
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Well, Chinese Air forces was largely a fledgling forces that was unable operate independently, and that was the reason they usually did not operate beyond the border area, so called "MIg Valley", though it was very much possible that Chinese and North Korean suffered higher losses rate per operations, the majority of Mig-15 encounter by Sabers were flew by Soviet pilots
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Old 11th May 2016, 04:15
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It is a little complicate in the case of Sabers vs Mig-15, on the one hand Sabers were outnumbered by Mig-15s, but on the hand, since Soviet Mig-15s were not allowed to operate beyond the Chinese-Korean border region, so Sabers usually hold the initiative, they can choose where to hit and when to strike
Well not sure how much of an advantage that gave the Sabers if the Mig force could loiter over the border several thousand feet above the Sabers and the Sabers usually had the issue of fuel as well. Did either side/both sides have ground control radar?
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Old 11th May 2016, 15:00
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Well not sure how much of an advantage that gave the Sabers if the Mig force could loiter over the border several thousand feet above the Sabers and the Sabers usually had the issue of fuel as well. Did either side/both sides have ground control radar?
What the chance hundreds of Mig-15 "loiter over the border several thousand feet" everyday whether Sabers come or not? More likely, there were only a few Mig-15s on alert, others would scramble up when their radar detect US aircrafts coming. So Sabers can choose when and where to fight, if they choose not to enter Mig Alley, then there would be no fight, when they choose to enter the Mig Alley, then they could choose the position they want to hit, Mig-15s had to defend the entire border regions and the Chinese army's supply routes across China-Korea border, if they won a dog fight with Mig-15s, they could pursuit across the Chinese border, if they loss, they only need to leave the Mig Alley area, and MIg-15 would not pursuit outside border region, and if the operational Sabers became low, they can simply stay in their base safely refit and recover without risking being attacked, hence they held the initiative.
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... Did either side/both sides have ground control radar?
IMHO both had, UN forces occupied some islands off the North Korean coast and had ships with radar stationed off the North Korean coast.

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Re: Korean War Aircraft Loss Database

Here's a bit on radar.


http://www.koreanwar.org/html/bookst...okstore_id=276





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Old 13th July 2016, 18:31
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Re: Korean War Aircraft Loss Database

A recent book:

The Last War of the Superfortresses: MiG-15 vs B-29 over Korea



https://www.amazon.com/Last-War-Supe...korean+war+mig










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