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Re: Top Bf 109 aces
Good afternoon Gentlemen,
the Bf 109 was a real multi-national fighter. The top aces of
I wonder if we can add Danish top ace Peter Horn. Did he score his most kills in the Bf 109 or the Fw 190 ? Cheers, Michael |
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I think that 33.090 Bf109's were built:
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and italian Hugo Drago of ANR?? no? top ace with bf.109
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Good evening Michel,
Drago flew the Bf 109 but he wasn't the top ace of his nation unlike the other eight guys of that list. I've found an interesting candidate for the Bf 109T top ace rank: Alfred Jakobi Does anybody how many kills he scored in that subtype ? Cheers, Michael |
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Good evening,
in Le Fana de l'Aviation N°546 there's an article by Xavier Méal "La Luftwaffe rends les armes" that indicates on p24 that Erich Hartmann achieved his last kill in a Me109K-4. Michael Last edited by knusel; 29th January 2018 at 21:14. |
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Now all you need to do is establish the source for that statement.
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I would not put Erich Hartmann to the top for sure. I can imagine that he wasn't even among the top 5 or 10. (I mean if you are interested in real victories, not just in old, fancy legends, or LW propaganda.) Old story, no time to go through it again.
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Certainly a huge thanks from me for opening my eyes to that fact. As far as the destruction of REAL enemy aeroplanes is concerned, Hartmann is absolutely nothing special |
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It would also be nice to have it proven that the victory was not just another overclaim
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Thanks Nick, you are welcome ;-))) I must add that I never stated that Hartmann did not hit those enemy aircrafts, what I say is that most of his official 'kills' were probably just damaged planes which cannot be verified from the soviet/allied losses at all. Hartmann openly talked about his tactics of diving on the enemy AC with full speed and opening fire just in the final moments. It is not hard to see that in such circumstances the actual crash in many cases could not be seen, only some hits on the opponent. I think Hartmann gave the most headache to the soviet ground crews patching up the damaged soviet planes after their missions. ;-))))
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