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Old 8th March 2019, 16:25
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From Robert Jackson's Messerschmitt Bf-109 A-D series.

Aircraft Date
I-15 15.7.1938
I-15 17.7.1938
I-16 18.7.1938
I-15 20.7.1938
SB-2 27.7.1938
I-15 15.8.1938
I-16 20.8.1938
I-16 15.10.1938
I-16 3.11.1938

116 more victories in World War II, 72 Western Front, 44 Eastern Front, total 125. Killed in action

Once that written, what's the truth? For instance it could not be both I-16 and I-15 for the sole claim on the 18/07/36. What are saying original archives?
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Old 8th March 2019, 16:31
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i can add some info, if need the sources only ask:

Grupo 26, *, losses were Felipe Cirujeda Esteve, 1ª esc. g-26 , i-15 by colision with i-16, Jose Redondo 1ª I-16 bail out after collision with Bf109 and Pastor I-16 collision bail out

Grupo 26, *, 3 I-15 lost Barroso atributed to Moelders, the other 2 pilots both bail out wounded

Grupo 21 or misidentification?. 5 claims of I-16 (3LC+ 2 CR.32 of as de Bastos (Ace of Clubs))+ 5 claims of I-15. Real losses were: 4(+1 forcelanded) i-16 +2 i-15
i-16 Vicente Yuste , 3ª esc. , KIA, lost in Sagunto area I-16 of ¿Hungarian Gregory S.? (Венгерский Григорий Сергеевич) also crashed in the mountains
i-16 Belmonte, 3ª esc., KIA
i-16 Andres Fierro , bail out ,
I-16 Gritsevets forcelanded in Utiel airfield by CR. 32s
i-15 Felipe Alonso Tobar MIA
i-15 Juan Diaz Labella, KIA
i-16 Grigorii Sergeevich Vengerskii KIA in battle with CR.32s and Bf109s on 18 july 38 Sagunto-Valencia area

Grupo 26, *, from 17 to 23 of july 9 I-16s lost and 7 I-15s

Grupo 12 or Grupo 24

Grupo 26. Two losses this date so likely a legitimate victory (one of these CM-201 de Eduardo Fernández Prada 3ª escuadrilla shot down in flames) and one Chato (I-15) other prob was I-16 Mex pilot Sgt. Jaime Sirio, Sirio Martin Gonzalez or Jose Sirio martin but some sources says he died in combat 22 of july: 17 I-15 y 10 I-16 fight in Viver, a great group of fiats... Republicans lost two chatos and one I-16 only with Spanish pilots. Both pilots of the chatos bail out and the pilot of the I-16 was MIA...

Grupo 21, 4ª esc Moscas

3a, 4a, 5a and 6a Esc Grupo 21 all definitely in action this date, 3 losses (all pilots escaped by parachute).

3a Esc, 4a Esc, 5a Esc and 6a Esc Grupo 21 all definitely in action this date, at least 12 losses of I-16 this month for more than 22 claims

part of the info by Nick Hector and other sources...

"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle."
Dietrich Hrabak

"The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....."
Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,

"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first."
Adolf Galland
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Re: Oesau's victories in Spain

Many Souffan has Oesau's Legion Condor diary and has the most accurate list (well, straight from Oesau's pen, that is, so take that where ya wanna). I suggest contacting him for it.
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