Very early VVS Hurricane loss (E-Bay photos)

[Kari Lumppio]

Hello!

Thanks a million Debowa! Perhaps this leads to additional information, at least we can hope so. I have absolutely no data for BH140.

Cheers,
Kari

[markjsheppard]

Hi Kari

Your TOCH folder is full and your allto.fi email is old. Bounced back.

Can you email me please. Email is the same as always.

More info.

regards

Mark

[Brian]

Hi Mark

When was BH140 lost? And pilot identity/fate?

Cheers
Brian

[Stig Jarlevik]

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Hi all
Speaking to Rune, though it might be BP140 lost near Loukhi 16.05.42. Now I dont know how BH or BP translated from latin to cyrillic and I have no idea if BP140 went to Russia or was a IIB. A lot of the Gloster batch were IIC's and IID's.
It is possible this is 'BP140' from the records or just one lost in the first uear of the GPW where the records are poor. Similar to RAF ones in mid 1940.
Will have to get the cards from these two to have a look.
What I would lik to do if find the German unit and locate the lake. I am not sure how close German troops got to Loukhi if that is a possibility.
regards
Mark
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Mark
I got this e-mail to my home address and can't understand why it does not show up as it should here. Anyone?
Anyway BH140 was delivered to Russia 14.1.1942
As far as I know, Russia kept the RAF serial numbers during the aircraft's life, and they were never translated into cyrillic, at least not physically on the aircraft. Well, at least I have never seen any such marking.
BP140 was lost at sea while on delivery to the Far East (no date given) so I don't understand how that one can appear as lost by the Russians.
Serial data from Air Britain's monograph.
Cheers
Stig

[markjsheppard]

Hi Stig,

No idea why you got the message. Thought it was a PM to Kari.

Yes BP140 is BH140. The Russian had issues in the records (not on the airframe) with some of the latin letters so often only the number is recorded. Not in this case as B, P and H are in the cyrillic alphabet. The P was not clear on the record.

We know it was not BP140 lost in transit and BH140 arrived around the right time to Russia. Yep, lost around 16th May 1942 in Louhki area as suspected due to the scenery. Pilot MIA. Would have probsbly survived. Still a hard landing though.

It would have gone through the ice less than two weeks later.

regards

Mark

[Stig Jarlevik]

Really weird Mark

Anyway, seems like we pretty well nailed down this specimen.

Cheers
Stig

[markjsheppard]

Stig,

Now need to find the lake!

regards

Mark

[Stig Jarlevik]

Well Mark

If you come over I can lend you a pair of skiis....

Cheers
Stig

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

Hi
this HC could be maybe one of 10 lost on 10.05.1942 from 2. GSAP VVS SF or 78. IAP VVS SF - they fight together but used two separate airfield (Vaenga-1 and -2). This day Soviet sustained most severe losses in the air (from 10 lost planes 5 pilots were KIA).

To the end of May 42 there were next air battles and both HS's units sustained next losses.

mw

[markjsheppard]

Mirek,

BH140 was shot down at 09.50 on the 16th May 1942 in the air battles of Kiestinki. It belonged to 760 IAP.

As Loukhi/Kiestinki was on the 65 / 66th parallel North (latitude) and the photos were taken 16-30th May 1942, does the available shadow help with location or orietation of the lake?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ww2ima...n/photostream/

Trying to work out sunrise/sunset and angle of the sun in the photo. For last two weeks of May the sun goes between-3 degrees? I assume the variation is the angle of the earth as there is 18 hours of daylight.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/azel.html

I think the Hurricane is facing due south but working out angle of the sun etc is beyond me!

regards

MS