victory Ofw.Müller 29.8.1940

[tonda75]

Hi Stig,
Robert Müller was a member of 2.Staffel JG 26, at 8.Staffel JG 26 he was probably from 11.1.1941 to the end of March 41.
His Erkennungsmarke 60015/12 ranks him among the 2.Staffel. I also have several photos of this pilot at the 2./JG 26.
At the end of 1940, this pilot was a participant in the officer's course.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Guys

So now upgraded to a probable.
Let's see what Johannes has to say (and perhaps Jochen as well)

Cheers
Stig

[tonda75]

After the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe needed to quickly restore the numbers of officers.
Robert Müller had finished high school, so being promoted to officer was faster.
I would very much like to welcome more information about this pilot and other pilots of the 2.Staffel JG 26.
Regards Tony

[Peter Cook]

Apologies for jumping in to this belatedly, but the Kracker Luftwaffe Archive agrees with Mathews and Foreman and has the following entry:

Pilot: Müller, Wilhelm - Rank: Ofw - Score: 10
Units: 3/JG-26, 2/JG-26 (8/40 Channel), 3/JG-26 (11/40)
Aircraft: Bf 109E-4 Werk # 0677 "Yellow 1" (lost 11/7/40)
Awards: EP(11/7/40), EK 1 & 2, Fighter Operational Clasp
Notes: KIA 7 November, 1940 in aerial combat with Hurricanes of RAF No. 249 Sq.. His radiator had been hit, and he was ordered by Oblt Seifert to crashland in England. Instead, he tried to make it back across the Channel, and disappeared without a trace. In November of 1940, he was the only member of I Gruppe to receive the Ehrenpokal (EP-Honor Cup). One known victory, his 1st, a Hawk-75A east of Le Bourget, 3 June, 1940. His 2nd, a Spitfire northwest of Beauvais, 8 June, 1940. His 3rd, another Spitfire, same day, at Amiens. His 4th, a Blenheim N of Unterbach on 7 July, 1940. His 5th, a Spitfire 5 km S of Dover on 14 August, 1940. His 6th, a Hurricane N of Tonbridge on 16 August, 1940. His 7th, a Hurricane NE of Manston on 24 August, 1940. His 8th & 9th, two Spitfires into the Channel between Dover-Calais on 25 August, 1940. His 10th, a Spitfire at Dover on 29 August, 1940.

Peter

[tonda75]

Hello Peter,
perhaps there was a situation that the 2.Staffel JG 26 had 29.8.1940 few pilots able to fly, so flew with it Ofw. Wilhelm Müller (member of the 3./JG 26).
However, I know with certainty that in 1940 Robert Müller was a member of 2./JG 26!
We only know the surname of the pilot who shot down the Spitfire on 29.8.1940.
I'm looking for evidence to confirm this man's first name.
Regards Tony

[Chris Goss]

I am afraid that Kracker, as good as it is, has its faults. This does not accord with what I have on Wilhelm Müller who has 9 victories and in any case, why would the 3 Staffel Müller have the Frontflugspange when he was dead before the award was instituted? I agreed with Tony and Jochen-2 different people

[Leo Etgen]

Hello all

Oberleutnant Robert Müller, Staffelkapitän of 3./JG 5, was wounded in aerial combat near Sofia on 10 January 1944 as has been mentioned in this thread. Would anyone have more information on this incident?

Horrido!

Leo

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

The earlier typed-out mikrofilms give forenames, however this appears on a clear but handwritten sub-list, usually it means there was some sort of problem initially with the claim.
Details are Ofw Müller 2./JG26 1945 hrs Spitfire at Dover at 4000 metres. There is no indication why it's on the sub-list i.e A.S.M e.t.c. Don't know why I concluded it was Wilhelm, but all his claims were with 3./JG26 as a feldwebel, so it looks more like it isn't Wilhelm than it is, and it could very well be Robert.

Don Caldwell's JG26 books are generally very accurate, and crammed with little bits of information about the pilots, these books were rather ahead of their time. The only improvements really that can be made to them is additional claims of November 1944, clarification of some claims Don thought might not have been confirmed, and numbering some of the pilots claims that came to Jg26 from other Geschwader.

Poaching for a sortie did happen, most often for the stab of a unit. But also a known fact is that NJG1 had the right to poach at will from other night units, and also sometimes pilots were on secondment to another staffel within their Gruppe usually as a temporary Staffelkapitän.

Easiest way to prove it was Robert is his flugbuch, or a question for Peter do we known Robert's rank at 29th August 1940.

Keep well

Johannes

[Chris Goss]

I would say that looking at his flying experience, Fw or Ofw hence easy promotion in the field to Lt. Also, Lt Robert Müller got his 2nd victory on 17 May 1942 with Stab I./JG 5....all pointing towards 29 Aug 40 being the same man

[tonda75]

Hi Leo,
Oblt.Robert Müller had an injured eye after the fight on 10.1.1944.
Bf 109 G-2 W.Nr.10323 "yellow 10"
Regards Tony