Which crew belonged to which Ju52, 17-11-42.

[David Pausey]

Hi

I have two Ju52's lost on the 17-11-42 in North Africa but they
both have have the same crew. Could some one please tell me
which aircraft did the the crew belong ?


I/K.G.z.b.V.1 lost Ju52 W.Nr 7612
Fw Conrand Schulse?, Uffz Heinz Sahmal? Both WIA.
Fl.Pl. Bartes. Fighters (Jager).


I/K.G.z.b.V.1 lost Ju52 W.Nr 6549
Fw Conrand Schulse?, Uffz Heinz Sahmal? Both WIA.
Fl.Pl. Bartze. Low leval attack(Tiefangriff).


Thanks for your help

David

[RT]

I have Sahmal wounded on 171142, then cancelled for unknown cause, but no Ju52 matching with that on 171142, 3 damaged without losses
7612 hs been lost in january around Stalingrad.

Where come from the data ??

RT

[David Pausey]

Hi RT
Thanks for your help. I got the information from the Luftwaffe Quartermaster's loss returns on microfilm held at the Imperial War Museum, London. I have other losses of Ju52s for 17-11-42. If I post them on this board could you check that the details are correct or would you prefer for me to send them to you by personal e-mail?
Regards David

[RT]

I recheck,maybe some data newly "entered", I'v found the two losses one refer to Bartza/bartos ??? as name of the flugplatz, names are Schulze, +,Sachmal, that's kling more german, the second one hs been cancelled
So the right one is Ju52, 6549
But pls contact me at cdts@cdts.fr, i hv some question to ask you about the quality/readability of your docs..

reg.
Remi

[Brian]

Hi David

I have been advised that 6549 was destroyed on the ground at Barce by fighter attack on 17/11/42 when Schultze (observer) and Sachmal (R/Op) were wounded. This was the occasion when 12 Kittyhawks from 250 Squadron found He111s and Ju52s in the circuit or landing at Benina LG (near Barce). Six of the Heinkels were claimed shot down as was one Ju52. Several aircraft were strafed and claimed destroyed or damaged including a Ju52, presumably 6549.

7612 was indeed lost over Stalingrad on 19/1/43.

Hope this helps

Brian

[RT]

With the Junkers is just reported 2 Heinkel + 1 but for a problem non-related ? to ennemy action Rollschaden..

remi

[David Pausey]

Hi RT and Brian

Cheers for your help, I have some more losses for the 17-11-42
which I would like checked to see if the details are right. I know that
other members of this board would like to see this so here they are.

K.Gr.z.b.V.600 lost Ju52 W.Nr.6688
Fl.Pl. Bartze. Low leval attack(Tiefangriff).

III/KG4 lost He111 W.Nr 7894
Uffz Schellenberger, Uffz Schünemann both verl.
Benina-Bengasi. Crashed fighter fire (Jager).

III/KG4 lost He111 W.Nr 7608
Two crew killed and two crew wounded.
Benina-Bengasi. Crashed fighter fire (Jager).

[RT]

It's what is written in gen.loss report, place for Kgrzb.600 is Bizerte

remi