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Old 8th October 2019, 23:43
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

The airfield of Gelsenkirchen- Buer is east of Holland while Mont-Saint-Jean is completely to the south of Holland so I doubt that. Besides they would have been taken POW since the Germans weren't even near the Brussels/Waterloo area on the 13th. See attached situation map of the evening of the 13th. The German front line is in blue.



I think that we have to look at a completely different place for the "St Jean" in the Flugbuch.
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Old 8th October 2019, 23:55
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

Of course they did not land there. Logbook shows something like: St. Juan (misspelled).
Photos of this plane were captioned as: St. Vith, La Roche-en-Ardenne, Marche-en-Famenne and Dinant.

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Old 9th October 2019, 07:39
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

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Of course they did not land there. Logbook shows something like: St. Juan (misspelled).
Photos of this plane were captioned as: St. Vith, La Roche-en-Ardenne, Marche-en-Famenne and Dinant.

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All of these 4 locations were occupied by the Germans on the 13th. Question remains if indeed Bf 110 2N+HN and the Schindler/Heinze Bf 110 is the same a/c.
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

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Of course they did not land there. Logbook shows something like: St. Juan (misspelled).
Photos of this plane were captioned as: St. Vith, La Roche-en-Ardenne, Marche-en-Famenne and Dinant.

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Except this one,captioned "bei Born",could be in Holland?
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Old 9th October 2019, 14:26
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The trees

Look at both trees on either side of the 110 (on this photograph). Look at their trunks: the bark is gone at a certain height over ground. On the left tree the damage to the bark is significant. This, together with the damage done to the leading edge of the right wing, shows that this aircraft was strill flying very low (probably very slowly) or had bounced from the ground to this height. Damaging trees - those Germans were barbarians indeed!
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Old 9th October 2019, 14:45
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There is another photograph in France

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I have been having a good print of another photograph (13 x 18 cm) of this same 110 for many years. It is now in one of many boxes full of photographs. Perhaps I'll be able to unearth it (but not today). The point is that, if my memory is OK, it is a photograph obtained by me from ECPA, now ECPAD, which is in the old fortress or fort at Ivry, directly beside Paris (SE of this city). At the time Paul Martin told me, "Not from the French Campaign" (10 May-24 June 1940) - it seems he was wrong. If from ECPA then it is one of many pictures of German origin held at Ivry. You can order prints there (even larger ones: 18 x 24 cm). Or possibly I found it at the French Air Force photo archive of SHAA, now SHD-Air, in the old castle at Vincennes SW of Paris, directly beside Paris too.
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

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Second photo give a rather good view of the surrounding area and countryside.


With this view, can anyone finally provide an exact location for this crash?
Are you sure the second photo is from the same a/c? The damage to the port wing is more substantial then I have seen on photos of 2N+HN (see red arrows).

Also, there is a road sign visible close to the a/c (see red circle). Does anyone has a better photo of this road sign? It might hold the name of a village.
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

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Are you sure the second photo is from the same a/c? The damage to the port wing is more substantial then I have seen on photos of 2N+HN (see red arrows).

Also, there is a road sign visible close to the a/c (see red circle). Does anyone has a better photo of this road sign? It might hold the name of a village.

I'll post a full scan up here when the photo arrives...
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Of course they did not land there. Logbook shows something like: St. Juan (misspelled).
Photos of this plane were captioned as: St. Vith, La Roche-en-Ardenne, Marche-en-Famenne and Dinant.

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The reverse of another photo, robert, says 'straße / Amiens'...
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Re: The famous 2N+HN stopped by trees...

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Hi Tim

he noted "zwischen Baeumen" so it`s very interesting.

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What is also interesting is that the normal Flugbuch entries are written by one person, but the entry for 'zwischen Baeumen' is written by a different person - Heinze perhaps, recording the incident?


I think this pretty much nails the date as 13th May 1940.


Now on to the exact location...
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