8th AF B-17s/B-24s to MTO

[JohanSWE]

Hi folks!

I wonder if anyone know where to find documents/records regarding 8th AF B-17s and B-24s transferred to 15AF, MTO?

Regards
JohanSWE

[Frank Olynyk]

15th Air Force was established on November 1, 1943. As far as I am aware there were no B-17s or B-24s, or such units, transferred to 15th from 8th AF. All such aircraft and units came directly from the U.S. The three extra bomb groups used in the Aug 1, 1943 Ploesti raid were from 8th AF, and were probably temporarily assigned to 9th AF.

Enjoy!

Frank.

[JohanSWE]

Hi Frank

You have 97th bomb group that first was under 8AF doing missions before transferred to North Africa then 15AF.

And 885 and 859 squadrons from 492BG i believe that went to MTO.
I have seen document that 446BG had a few aircraft that endes up in MTO.
Some BG in 3rd air division phased out the B-24 for the B-17.

//JohanSWE

[Buckeye30]

In Nov. 1942 the 97 / 301BGs were transferred from Eighth AF to Twelfth (Algeria) then to Fifteenth 1943; the 44th/389th/93rd were temporarily sent to join the Ninth AF for the Ploesti missions.
The 885th BS (formerly 122 Liason) moved from Langley Field to Morocco in June 1944 to join MAAF.
The 859BS was assigned to a Provisional Group in Italy (Brindisi) in Dec. 1944 from the 492BG which had been withdrawn from combat to take up CARPETBAGGER operations in England. The 492nd other squadrons were re-assigned (856/857/858).
Regards
Nick

[Alex Smart]

If I recall correctly Ed Bishop's "Big Triangle First" gave itemised details of B17's and B24's that were transferred to the ME in the early years. Think that "8th & 9th Losses" volume gives details also. But don't forget the RAF B17's were there first I believe. Later joined by a few from the Far East/Pacific .

[JohanSWE]

This is what i found so far.

801BG/492BG Carpetbagger
B-24H-25- CF 42-50380 Taken to Brindisi,Italy
B-24H-30 -CF 42-50428 Crashed in Italy 19.4.45 on Operation Pappy, crew returned. MACR 74028
B-24H-30- CF 42-50447 Previously named BUZZ TAIL II. Taken to Brindisi. Shot down 16.4.45 near Tis in Czech Republic
B-24J-5- FO 42-50913 Ex 458th BG. Transferred to MTO 31.1.45
B-24H-30- DT 42-51201 Transferred to MTO Jan 45. Dropped from USAAF inventory 22.10.45
B-24H-30- DT 42-51208 Crashed in Italy on non operational mission
B-24H-15- FO 42-52711 Taken to Brindisi, Italy
B-24D-165- CO 42-72871 Transferred to MTO on 31.3.45
B-24H-1-FO 42-7563 Ex 445th BG, Taken to Brindisi. Shot down 9.2.45 in Yugoslavia near Velika
Brisnica on Operation Flotsam (MACR 12361)
B-24H-1-FO 42-7612 Ex 446th BG. Transferred to MTO
B-24H-15- FO 42-94763 Ex 490th BG. Taken to Brindisi, Italy
B-24H-25- FO 42-95131 Shot down 26.4.45 on Operation Duquesne when stationed at Brindisi. Italy

https://harringtonmuseum.org.uk/wp-c...ger-planes.pdf


I got lot of matches when searching MTO in this document

https://384thbombgroup.com/_content/...ers%201995.pdf

B-24J 42-51778 885th BS
B-24D 42-40697
B-24H 42-91919 Q Ex 8AF
B-24J 44-48958 MACR 16502
B-24J 44-48958
B-24L-5-FO 44-49336


https://thesolomoncrew.files.wordpre...ions-rev-3.pdf


B-24 42-52727 Character EX 453/458BG transferred to MTO, then to 485th BG


from 493rd Bomb Group Helton Hellcats, Martin Bowman

B24H-15-CF 41-29510 Ex 486BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-03
B-24H-20-CF 42-50281 Ex 490BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-01-07
B-24J-1-FO 42-50656 Ex 493BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-14
B-24H-25-DT 42-51170 Ex 493BG/491BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-01-08
B-24H-15-FO 42-52751 Ex 486BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-14
B-24H-15-FO 42-94758 Ex 34BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-03-03
B-24H-15-FO 42-94768 Ex 34BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945
B-24H-15-FO 42-94790 Ex 34BG/466BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-14
B-24H-20-FO 42-94802 Ex 490BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-03
B-24H-20-FO 41-94843 Ex 490BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-06
B-24H-20-FO 41-94908 Ex 34BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-05, 451BG

B-24H-20-FO 41-94916 Ex 490BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-01-08
B-24H-20-FO 41-94918 Ex 490BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-01-08
B-24J-145-CO 44-40049 Ex 493BG? 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-05
B-24J-155-CO 44-40293 Ex 493BG/490BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-01-09
B-24J-155-CO 44-40299 Ex 493BG/487BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-05
B-24J-155-CO 44-40321 Ex 493BG/489BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-01-07
B-24J-160-CO 44-40418 Ex 493BG/RAF 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-03
B-24J-160-CO 44-40420 Ex 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-03
B-24J-160-CO 44-40438 Ex 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-09
B-24J-160-CO 44-40438 Ex 493BG/34BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO
B-24J-165-CO 44-40461 Ex 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-14
B-24J-165-CO 44-40469 Ex 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1944-12-03
B-24J-165-CO 44-40485 Ex Ex 493BG/34BG 8AF A/C transferred to MTO, 485BG, MACR 12710



B-17G-65-VE 44-8470 Ex 8AF A/C transferred to MTO 1945-05-20

486BG
https://www.486th.org/Aircraft/B24Index.htm

B-24H-15-CF 41-29400 A/C transferred to 716th BS/449th BG/15th AF
B-24H-15-CF 41-29401 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H-15-FO 42-52475 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H-15-CF 41-29490 A/C transferred to MTO, 451BG
B-24H-15-FO 42-52532 A/C transferred to 485BG, MTO
B-24H-15-FO 42-52631 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H-15-FO 42-52644 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H-15-FO 42-52663 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H-15-FO 42-52682 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H-15-FO 42-52740 to 450th BG
B-24H-15-FO 42-52744 A/C transferred to MTO, 98BG
B-24H-15-CF 42-52753 to 450th BG
B-24H-15-FO 42-52762 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H 4x-xx 827 A/C transferred to MTO
B-24H-15-FO 42-94871 A/C transferred to MTO, 451BG


B-24H-15-CF 41-29517

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/19059

B-24H-15-FO 42-52762
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/19062
B-24H-1-FO 42-7563 859BS
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/9364
B-24H-15-CF 41-29525
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/19569


not sure about this two
B-24H-15-DT 41-28837
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/19065
B-24H-15-CF 41-29488
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/19436


Cheers
JohanSWE

[JohanSWE]

According to my source, i got confirmed that there excist transfer documents (lists) at NARA and AFHRA about aircrafts transferred from 8AF to 15AF and vice versa.

Cheers
JohanSWE