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Old 9th July 2008, 02:54
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109 K-4 RLM 84?

i have seen reference to the colour RLM 84 when reading about K-4's. can anyone tell me what was the colour, and on what area's of the plane this colour was used?
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Old 9th July 2008, 04:06
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

I know of no official German publication that lists RLM 84.

This is the color (linked from IPMS Stockholm):

http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34554




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Old 9th July 2008, 08:37
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

Hi,
Please see:
http://scalemodels-bg.com/Documents/...%20colours.pdf

maybe this ought to be a sticky.
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Old 9th July 2008, 10:50
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

Concerning to L.Dv. 521/1 there should be no RLM84 as there was no remains of this paint in the text. Detailed studying of photos and remains of existing planes allows me to assume with 99 percent probability it could be either RLM02 if paint is new or result of RLM 76 paint decay because of weather conditions.
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Old 9th July 2008, 11:13
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

There was no RLM84 although several authors who have looked into the matter (Merrick, Poruba and I think Ullmann) all agree that there was a new color for undersurfaces late in the war.

The explanation being that as the color has been found on different aircraft in different locations, as well as aircraft made in different manufacturing plants, a faded or somehow corrupted RLM76 batch is unlikely as it's use seems to widespread.

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Old 9th July 2008, 14:38
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

The term "RLM 84" was a post war creation to give a label to an officially unidentified and undesignated color. The color is approximately similar to RAF Sky, although it appears it could vary.

The color was found on the original paint on a He 219 at the Smithsonian NASM. It was not a mutation of 76, but rather a definite color.

Here you can see it sprayed as a squggle pattern over a dark gray (which in itself was not identified).

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Old 9th July 2008, 19:45
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

Accordng to Michael Ullmann, the color called RLM 84 occurred because the Germans reduced the amount of chromate in the paint to save on strategic materials . The reduced chromate then caused the RLM 76 to take on the greenish/ yellow tint.
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Old 9th July 2008, 21:23
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

Chromates are green and yellow, so I do not see the point.
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

Not chromates were reduced but pigment:
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/latewarrlm76mu_1.htm
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Re: 109 K-4 RLM 84?

Not easy to answer as well some airplanes featured in same time green grey [so called RLM 84], aluminium and RLM 76 paint. But there is enough preserved samples that this color could be with easy reconstructed.
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