Bf.109 Werknr 12854 or 8254 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Hans Nauta · #1 21st September 2005, 18:42

Dear researchers,

On 3rd July 1941 a Bf.109F-2 of I/JG1 was damaged for 15% while taxiing on Bergen (also filed as Bergen am See in German records) airfield, Holland.
I've two possible Werknr's of this aircraft: 12854 and 8254 which are very similar to each other. Unfortunately I lost my references to the primary sources of these two Werknr's.

Perhaps somebody can shed a light on this?

Thanks in advance,

Hans Nauta

John Beaman · #2 21st September 2005, 20:52

Hans:

It is listed as 8254 in the QMGen records.

John

Hans Nauta · #3 21st September 2005, 21:00

Hello John,

Thanks for your quick reply. I´ll delete 12854 from my files, apperently being the wrong Werknr.

Kind regards,
Hans Nauta

RT · #4 21st September 2005, 22:53

Hello

a bit strange I hv 8250/51/52/53/56/58 but no 8254, but a 12854 from JG1 Bruchlanded in Wangerooge 190442 20 %, nd def. written-off with JG51 in Dugino 070942

reg.

rt

Hans Nauta · #5 22nd September 2005, 13:09

Hi RT,

Thanks for your reaction. From your info it appears that 12854 was a valid Werknr, however not related to the taxiing incident at Bergen.

Regarding 8254, perhaps Jim P. can help us out as he has an extensive database of the Bf.109.

Regards,
Hans Nauta

John Beaman · #6 22nd September 2005, 13:57

Hans:

You are correct: while 12854 was in an accident while with JG 1, it is not the taxing accident you referenced on the date and pilot with 8254. Two different incidents and dates.

Stig Jarlevik · #7 22nd September 2005, 17:07

Hi All

From where does WNr 8254 come from? According to BOTH Eric Mombeek and Jochen Prien's books on the subject the aeroplane damaged at Bergen on July 3rd 1941 was WNr 5712 !

The same day the Gr.Kom. Erich Mix also bellylanded his WNr 7059, but that is not the accident referred to

Cheers

Stig Jarlevik

John Beaman · #8 22nd September 2005, 17:41

References: Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5;

Yes Prien and Mombeek do say that and I am not sure why. I have 5712 as lost on the same date with 1./JG 3 on the Eastern Front at Luzk, 40% on a crash landing due to pilot error.

Rasmussen · #9 22nd September 2005, 18:27

I guess the Prien books to the JG 1 based on first researches because in his book "Jagdfliegerverbände ...", vol. 5, p.38, he mentioned the W.Nr. 8254 for the accident in Bergen too.

John Beaman · #10 22nd September 2005, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

I guess the Prien books to the JG 1 based on first researches because in his book "Jagdfliegerverbände ...", vol. 5, p.38, he mentioned the W.Nr. 8254 for the accident in Bergen too.

Yes, you are correct. Just illustrates that research is always on-going!