Zerstörer - Unit codes

[Christian Schulz]

It's quite simple:

Erprobungsgruppe 210 -> renamed I./SKG 210 in April 1941 -> renamed I./ZG 1 in January 1942

All through those changes the code remained S9.

[Peter Kassak]

@John:
I think III. Gruppe ZG 76 listed all the time in the loss lists 2N code. Maybe machines were form ZG 1, and due to never finished 9th Staffel and thus unit readiness (on paper) it never changed the code to M8?

[John Vasco]

Erprobungsgruppe 210
1. Staffel upon formation had Bf 110 C-6s that they brought with them from 1./ZG 1. The unit code on the C-6s remained as '2N' until 1. Staffel received their first batch of fighter-bombers in early August 1940, when the code 'S9' was implemented on all the Bf 110s of 1. Staffel.

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by Peter Kassak

@John:
I think III. Gruppe ZG 76 listed all the time in the loss lists 2N code. Maybe machines were form ZG 1, and due to never finished 9th Staffel and thus unit readiness (on paper) it never changed the code to M8?

Peter,
If you have copies of any loss lists, I would be most interested to see them posted, as that would update all our knowledge.

As far as photos of Bf 110 G-2s in 1944 go, check out my 'Zerstörer, volume 2' by Classic, pages 174 onwards, to see various photos of late-war Bf 110 G-2s with the different unit codes.

Also, page 105 of 'Sting of the Luftwaffe' shows two photos that have been incorrectly ascribed to ZG 76 over the years. Since publication I received the name of the tall officer in the top photo (II./ZG 1), but it's away in the Archive with the rest of my stuff now.

[Peter Kassak]

meia culpa!! I mistaken codes..2N for 3U.
Sorry...there is coulple of losses of III./ZG 76 machines lost on 9.10.1943 with 3U codes...none for 2N...
I always knew that 2N must be misidentification so NO plane of III. Gruppe ZG 76 had 2N code!

[Christian Schulz]

And then they call us Germans orderly. Lies, blatant lies.

[Evgeny Velichko]

Hallo gents!

Here is a list what I composed for SoW, Bf110 regiments:

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Stab Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "S9+__", used from 1.42 to 8.43

I Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "2N+__", used from 8.39 to 22.6.40;
- "S9+__", used from 4.1.42 to 9.43.

II Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "2N+__", used from 8.39 to 22.6.40;
- "S9+__", used from 4.1.42 to end of 1943;
- "2N+__", used from 1.44 to 7.44 (first two characters 1/4 size).

III Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "S9+__", used from 1.42 to 10.42 (with Bf109E)
- "2N+__", used from 10.42 to 11.10.43 (With Me210/410)

Ergänzungs Staffel Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "S9+__", used from 4.1.42 to 18.4.42;
- "1E+*D", used from 6.4.44 to 8.44 (* - Number from 1 to 12);

10 (Nachtjagd) Staffel Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "S9+_U", used from 10.42 to 8.43;

11 Staffel Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe" (Me210 staffel)
- "2N+_V", used from 10.42 to 12.42;

Panzerjägerstaffel Staffel Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "S9+_S", used from 6.43 to 8.43;

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Stab Zerstörergeschwader 2
- "3M+__", used from 1.4.40 to 9.40;
- "2S+__", used from 4.42 to 12.42;

I Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 2 "Bernburg Jager"
- "3M+__", used from 1.2.40 to 9.40;
- "2S+__", used from 4.42 to 8.42;

II Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 2 "Drachen"
- "A2+__", used during 6.40 to 9.40 (used I Gruppe Staffel markings instead of II Gruppe);
- "2S+__", used during 3.42 to 9.42;

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Stab Zerstörergeschwader 26 "Horst Wessel"
- "3U+__" , used during 11.39 - 6.44;

I Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 26 "Ringelpietz"
- "U8+__" , used during 12.39 - 3.41.
- "3U+__" , used during 3.41 - 4.44;

II Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 26 "Holzschuh"
- "3U+__" , used during 10.39 - 44;

III Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 26
- "3U+__" , used during 2.40 - 6.44.(in 1944 first two characters 1/4 size).

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I Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 52
- "A2+__" , used during 6.1.40 - 6.40.

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Stab Zerstörergeschwader 76
- "M8+__" , used during 15.4.40 to 31.7.41;
- "M8+__" , used during 8.43 to 24.7.44.

I Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 76 "Haifischgruppe"
- "M8+__" , used during 8.39 to 7.9.40;
- "M8+__" , used during 8.43 to 20.7.44.

II Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 76
- "M8+__" , used during 3.40 to 11.41;
- "M8+__" , used during 5.10.43 to 9.8.44.

III Gruppe Zerstörergeschwader 76
- "2N+__" , used during 26.6.40 to 24.4.41 (in 1940 Gruppe used II Gruppe Staffel markings instead of III Gruppe);
- "3U+__" , used during 1.11.43 to 29.1.44.

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1.(Zerstörer) Staffel Jagdgeschwader 77 "Dachshund Staffel"
- "LN+_R" , used during Summer 1941 - 25.01.42

6.(Zerstörer) Staffel Jagdgeschwader 5 "Dachshund Staffel"
- "LN+_R" , used during 25.01.42 - 16.02.42

10.(Zerstörer) Staffel Jagdgeschwader 5 "Dachshund Staffel"
- "LN+_R" , used during 16.02.42 - 26.06.42

13 (Zerstörer) Staffel Jagdgeschwader 5 "Dachshund Staffel"
- "LN+_R" , used during 26.06.42 - 8.43;
- "1B+_X" , used during 8.43 - 18.07.44.

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Erprobungsgruppe 210
- "S9+__", used from 1.7.40 to 24.4.41. (2N+_H was used with fisrt Bf110C-6's of 1./Erpr.Gr.210 till aug.40)

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Stab Schnellkampfgeschwader 210
- "S9+__", used from 24.4.41 to 4.1.42.

I Gruppe Schnellkampfgeschwader 210
- "S9+__", used from 24.4.41 to 4.1.42.

II Gruppe Schnellkampfgeschwader 210
- "S9+__", used from 24.4.41 to 4.1.42.

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I Gruppe Lehrgeschwader 1 "Wolf"
- "L1+__", used from 8.39 to 11.39.

V Gruppe Lehrgeschwader 1 "Wolf"
- "L1+__", used from 11.39 to 1.10.40 (Gruppe used I Gruppe Staffel markings instead of V Gruppe);
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[Evgeny Velichko]

John - do You mean this photo of II./ZG1?
http://pics.livejournal.com/bersrk/pic/0000257c
Whom did You recognised?

[John Vasco]

Evgeny,

You're wrong about Stab, II & III./ZG 26 using 'U8'. They did not! Only I. Gruppe used 'U8'.

And see my earlier comment about 1. Staffel, Erprobungsgruppe 210 from its formation to early August 1940.

[John Vasco]

Evgeny,

I think this is incorrect also:
Panzerjägerstaffel Staffel Zerstörergeschwader 1 "Wespe"
- "S9+_X", used from 6.43 to 8.43;

As far as I am aware, they used 'S' as a fourth character in their code, as has been discussed on this forum or another (LEMB?) recently.