Photos Caudron Aircraft

[musec04]

Hello,


Another difficult to read STAe number on a Caudron, first two digits either 43 or 45,last two digits 13 or 15. The machine is a Caudron G.6 and can also be seen from a different angle in Soltan and Davilla


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/126703198510...QAAOSwP8Vm~ZWf



The seller also has a few other aircraft related photos including a couple of less frequently seen machines


https://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_dkr=...c=1&_nkw=avion



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Well Clint

Want my opinion? Oh you do?

I think it looks like 4313. All I do now is waiting for Nick to shoot me down....

Cheers
Stig

[Buckeye30]

Hi Clint. The weight table lower on the tail is "PU 300" ( useful load) so the serial looks like 4313; French 5s had a gap in the top stroke (unless re-marked). Compare with the Nieuport 17 numbers.

PC 200 at the bottom (fuel load).


Nick Sorry Stig, just missed you ! Can't see a cross bar on the 3rd. number....

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

Sorry Stig, just missed you ! Can't see a cross bar on the 3rd. number....

Neither can I Nick

I was a bit too fast with my fingers......

Corrected my data above

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on Delcampe is a photo of an early Caudron.Not sure of the type shown or whether civilian or military.There is a strange small roundel marking on rudder


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...177532024.html




On ebay there are two,alas ruler defaced photos of the Colombian G.III A-1 of the EMA


https://www.ebay.com/itm/126855937556?_skw=caudron&itmmeta=01JGM8PB84H6FYWS 9ZM43AVY6H&hash=item1d8933fe14:g:fbMAAOSw5HpncZMz& itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKn5bRe mFtON1C%2Bo7CHfL8U%2FqAAzgnG5EBVvGBr%2BAvcy13H4A4Y ZI%2FZH4T3BYZ3Hb1UhFSt2HAGkgW%2Fnga%2FRErn%2FU8cnS RyBvmbjijqxSUam1ABDwU5nXBirfVmX0DA6thGRz71etINtJva tVgXMjPTvzg7SjYC1sN9YaGlhLTfSDDDoNvPmR4BwqLCJB9nSP osQsTYq%2BNJfvaQoy0oiVHclxCv6x%2FPT7xr17avPEPqg0ko yfJREyd%2BPXMzsatfvFfLWzNVj47exe%2B3l2h07%2FaHe%7C tkp%3ABk9SR5K02YiFZQ




https://www.ebay.com/itm/11643181418...Bk9SR5K02YiFZQ



Finally also drom ebay a nice quality photo of G.IV C.1134


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/335749106288?_skw=biplan&itmmeta=01JGM24Z4V7936BMS 0YK4VPHK5&hash=item4e2c34ca70:g:X3cAAOSwtexncGOs&i tmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwHoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmIFAed UFwx62k8zPDG5iLT%2FAnbxZ21V7xhoMv1PWnSTrwIgz1x3vD1 n89i%2FyS%2B6FXtfom1kpBaFLk%2BFYrZqa43PR%2F6LKoIm8 %2FMaLn63yAYqmKC203uT66wnfB%2BrhQLKADHqLLdZte1IdAF C1%2BYT0LpWRRj52l4%2FboezY6IrkMwtThnFD5leqdNYUM9G8 d0hbXNNZbzdwKwRqxl3uE0XFTU8ufS92TVBknMmeZOwfvV1w%3 D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8jyk4KFZQ



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Very nice shots Clint

The early Caudron is either a B or C model. There were so many variations that I can't be certain.

Not sure what you mean with the G.III with EMA? Escuela Militar? What I would say, it is
the first civil registered aircraft in Colombia. This register came into being ca 1923.
Previously A-1 was thought to have been a Junkers F 13, but there is no longer any such F 13 listed by
Lennart Andersson in his book.

Since Colombia received three G.III from France, it is possible it is one of them, but I don't think
we can rule out a former French Army one.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Thanks Stig,


I've looked through Hauet's Les Avions Caudrons and I still can't identify the variant shown in the link for the early machine..


The information on the Colombian machines was new to me and therefore was unable to influence my decision to identify the G.III as being with the EMA. I'd gone with the info in Davilla and Soltan,which indeed states Escuela Militar de Aviation,which has three G.III in service there in early 1922. So, while I happily accept Lennart's information about A-1 being the first on the civil registration, I wonder whether this was originally one of the three EMA machines,unless that unit's aircraft were civil registered. Any thoughts or info?


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

No worries Clint

When identifying the "Early Caudron" as a B or C type I used a round-about method, ie I excluded
what it could not be.
To me the equal span of the two wing pairs, excludes later models and also some B and C that had
unequal ones. Not Gospel, I know.....

With regard to the Colombian G.III marked A-1, I am pretty certain it is the first "civil" registered
aircraft in the country. Before Lennart's book A-1 was identified as a Junkers F 13. Since Lennart
does not include A-1 as a F 13 anymore (he has nothing to say about the A-1 as such in the book)
I am thus even more certain that A-1 was the Caudron G.III in the photo.
My knowledge about early Colombian aviation is close to zero, so everything else is pure guesswork
from my side.

No idea how the EMA's Caudrons were marked, if A-1 was one of them or a direct import from
somewhere (France?)

Cheers
Stig