Bf 109 E, WNr.1990

[ouidjat]

Hi gents,

any available help - when, where, pilot & unit - will be welcome.

Thanks, Franck.

[G.R.Morrison]

Bf 109E-4 WNr.1990 of 2./JG 3, “schwarze 13”
Oblt. u. Staffelkapitän Helmut Tiedmann, 18.Aug. 1940 POW after Luftkampf with RAF fighters. Notlandung, Leeds near Maidstone.
Cowl emblem: red Tatzelwurm; earliest-known spiral spinner. Wing, tailplane and rudder tips were gelb.

[JohnnyB]

Maybe Oblt. Helmut Tiedemann, JG3, Bf109 E4, black13.


Regards,

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

Upps..Mr. Morrison - you was faster

[ouidjat]

Thanks both,

What's the source please? No indication of WN. in the Kracker list (for example)

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

The EOE DB carries W.Nr. 1990 as Tiedmann's:

"August 18, 1940: 2./JG3 Messerschmitt Bf109E-4 (1990). Damaged in combat with fighters and belly-landed in Abbey Field, Park Barn, adjacent to Leeds Castle Park, 1.50 p.m. FF Oberlt Helmut Tiedmann (Staffelkapitän) unhurt, evaded capture but apprehended north of Broomfield after 12 hours at large. Aircraft Black 13 + 100% write-off.
Flare pistol taken at the time now held by the Hawkinge Aeronautical Trust."

Regards,

[ouidjat]

Thanks Larry for the confirmation.
Yes, it seems Tiedmann did wander around for a while since it is said he spoke english (Alfred Price).
StfKpt with a "Black 13"! another exception? Or a spare plane? Note At that time Tiedmann was credited with at least 7 victories (12 maybe?) and no indication of them on rudder?

Regards, Franck.

[VtwinVince]

This was not uncommon. My uncle's 109 whilst Kapitaen of 9. JG 3 was yellow 13.

[Ronald]

does anyone have a picture of Oblt. Helmut Tiedmann? Here is some info and pics I got from his plane and some of his medals on my facebook account. You can access it even if you don't have fb. Does anyone know more about what happened to him after he got captured?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3&l=6baa19bc92

[Jim P.]

My db loss entry with sources (would be the same as GRM's since he is "co-author" of the this db). As to what happened to him, I would suspect he ended up in Canada like many other POWs from this time. Just a guess of course.

Bf 109E-4, 1990, Tiedmann, Oblt. Helmut, , I., 2., JG 3, schwarze, 13 +, , Red Tatzelwurm, earliest-known spiral spinner. Wing, tailplane and rudder tips are gelb., 18-Aug-40, Stkp. POW due to Luftkampf with RAF fighters. Notlandung., , Lfl.2/Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #1)-Vol.2; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IV.1, p.191; Prien/Stemmer, Stab und I./JG 3, p.519; SAM 5/85, Payne, p.366, p.368 dwg; Payne/Kit, Les Messerschmitt/D'Angleterre, p.39 color; BoB, T&N, p.581, Payne, SAM 6/86; Mason, p.283, Leeds bei Maidstone, 100%, F, , ,