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Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
Does anyone have anything on this Beobachter who was with KG 51 in 1940? Matti has nothing while nothing on Larry & Doug's lists
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
Possibly Werner DoB 29 Jan 17?
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
I don't have anything as such but he has 5 files in the German archives, including the NSDAP & SS/SA archives in Berlin-Lichterfelde.
His personnel file at Freiburg is: PERS 6/241390 Grassmann, Werner Bestandsbezeichnung - Personalunterlagen von Angehörigen der Reichswehr und Wehrmacht Geburtsdatum - 29.1.1917 Amtsbezeichnung/Dienstgrad - Oberleutnant Kr.O. Unterlagenart - Personalakte Alte Signatur - LP/69355 Benutzungsort - Freiburg
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
Chris,
RL10/652 III./KG 51 Einsatz Großbritannien Bd 1/1 Jul - Sep 1940. 29.7.40 flew in the following crew - Oblt. Rath, Oblt. Grassmann, Uffz. Böttcher and Gefr. Gallerman. 9K+AD departed 22.44 landed 02.48. Operated as part of the III./KG 51 Aufklärungsschwarm along with 9K+ED and 9K+BD. (0011.jpg) 12.8.40 same crew and aircraft again as part of the Aufklärungsschwarm along with 9K+CD, 9K+ED and 9K+BD. Raid was on Portsmouth. This time the name is Graßmann. (0015.jpg) 16.8.40 9K+AD, same crew. Part of the Aufklärungsschwarm along with 9K+CD. Target was Gatwick.(0021.jpg) 25.8.40 9K+AD, same crew. Part of the Aufklärungsschwarm along with 9K+CD. Target was Warmwell.(0033.jpg) 29.8.40 9K+AD, same crew. Part of the Aufklärungsschwarm along with 9K+CD. Target was Liverpool.(0037.jpg) 30/31.8.40 9K+AD, same crew. Sole aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm. Target was Manchester.(0045.jpg) 1/2.9.40 9K+AD, same crew. Sole aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm. Target was Bristol.(0051.jpg) 8/9.9.40 9K+CD same crew. One of three aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the others being 9K+DD and 9K+BD). Target in London. 9/10.9.40 9K+CD same crew. One of two aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the other being 9K+DD). Target in London. (0069.jpg) 10/11.9.40 9K+AD same crew. One of two aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the other being 9K+DD). Target in London. (0073.jpg) 15/16.9.40 9K+AD same crew. One of two aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the other being 9K+DD). Target in London. (0085.jpg) 16/17.9.40 9K+AD same crew. Sole aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm. Target in London. (0089.jpg) 19.9.40 9K+AD same crew. One of two aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the other being 9K+DD). Target in London. (0095.jpg) 23/24.9.40 9K+ED same crew. One of two aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the other being 9K+DD). Target in London. (0103.jpg) 25.9.40 9K+ED same crew. One of three aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the others being 9K+CD & 9K+DD). Target in London. (0107.jpg) 26/(?)27.9.40 9K+ED same crew. Sole aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm . Target in London. (0113.jpg) 27/28.9.40 9K+ED same crew. One of three aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm (the other being 9K+CD). Target in London. (0117.jpg) 29/30.9.40 9K+ED same crew. Sole aircraft in the Aufklärungsschwarm . Target in London. (0121.jpg). It may be worth looking in RL10/653 through to RL10/665 as they cover III./KG 51 up to the end of May 1943.
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
See Axis History thread A3343 post 20 Sep 2020 (https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...1164&p=2289357 in that listing is this entry
Grassmann Werner(29/01/17) 0003-0038 Schupo If the reference to Schupo is correct this Grassmann was a member of the Schutz Polizie
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
Thanks Andy-I have all of this and the details of all of the crew apart from him. Of interest Rath was killed as Kommodore of KG 2 in an attack on Portsmouth in 1944.
Thanks also Hucks for the personnel file details which I already had. Trouble is without a confirmed DoB or christian name, I am shooting in the dark. As I said, no mention on Larry/Doug's list of as a casualty |
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
Excuse my ignorance
Why did III./KG 51 have an Aufklärungsschwarm? I can only assume this was for an immediate evaluation of the bombing effort, since why would III./KG 51 compete with the regular recce-units? Did all KG units have some kind of corresponding schwärme? Cheers Stig |
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
KG 51 called its Stab I, II and III Aufklärungsschwarm
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
Thanks Chris
However it begs further questions a) Was KG 51 alone in doing this? b) What was the exact purpose of the Stab? I only assumed the above you know.... Cheers Stig |
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Re: Oblt Grassmann Stab III./KG 51
You should all read more ULTRA!
CX/JQ/268 |
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