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Old 28th September 2018, 18:46
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Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

Hi
I am looking for the place of crash B-24 no 42-78345. Pilot Herman Baron.
The plane was loses 26.12.1944. I have MACR report but the place mentioned in this report is very strange and I cant find it.


Does anybody help me where is city: Cheppa in Hungary ??
This place is mentioned like a crash place.


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Old 28th September 2018, 22:50
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Re: Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

Csepa {46.48N-20.08E}, near Kecskemet.

It is English spelling, and Hungarians write it as Cs, obviously.
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Old 29th September 2018, 08:33
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Re: Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

Yes !!!! You have right.
Thank you for your help. Good job !!!!!!!


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Old 30th September 2018, 02:43
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Re: Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

Crashed at Tiszasas (at 'Kása-halom' field) towards Csépa, already in soviet zone.
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Old 30th September 2018, 19:36
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Re: Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

Hi HGabor


Thanks for the interesting information.
Do you can write what is the source this information ??
I am asking because in MACR report is writing Csepa like a crash place.


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Old 1st October 2018, 03:57
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Re: Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

Fenix, it's an old story. Locals still remember the plane, parts still exist at nearby houses, relatives of some crewmembers already visited the site years ago. Story well researched. More here:

http://tiszasas.hu/wp-content/upload...anu%C3%A1r.pdf

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Old 1st October 2018, 06:18
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Re: Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

Hi HGabor


Thak for the local info. Of course I dont know this story.
I try to translate it but will be very very hard.


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Re: Place of crash B-24 (Hungary)

tranlation by Google:

the history of US bombers
September 22, 2012
Nándor Mohos, a flight researcher, visited during the summer,
because on 1944 he had been forced to rescue an American bomber,
landing plane on Tisza. One of the lieutenant's family would like to
togatni.
History: Sándor Hollósy in 1998 is the local history group in Tiszasasi
one of the members visited him with this story.
Nándor Mohos discovered that this machine was one of the researcher's work
B-24 G "Liberator" type bomber aircraft, serial number: 42-
78345,456 Bombing Group 747. Flying in a bombing squadron. Baron
Lieutenant is the pilot. The bombing officer: Lieutenant Alfred T. Knies,
his chest would like to visit the place where the forced landing occurred
the place is Kásahalom.
During my research, I found Árpád Kőrösi, who can still tell
then the plane landed on their land.
Unfortunately, many people do not remember this forced flight,
it was a big interest in the machine,
only heavier pieces remained on the spot. It is still today
some things from the machine at Áron Kőrösi / father-in-law Endre Lengyel's legacy /
eg generator.
He handed over this important piece of information to the lieutenant's son,
Alfred touching the relic.
Lieutenant Alfred T. Knies's remembrances:

Our machine during the deployment was bombing an oil refinery in Poland,
(then we did not even know the name of the town to be the German name of the city
no other than Auschwitz, where one of the notorious concentration camps
.) Above the goal, the air defense shot with our 88mm cannons,
our machine hit a hit. Both of our two left engines are inoperative,
nor did it change. We missed the bond and just hoped that
we can fly to the base home, but we had to fly it
Alps like 4,500 meters high mountains.
After about an hour of flight, two German Me-109 fighters
he fell on us.
Among other things, our tail rifles have been broken. Not after that
we have many choices to leave the bomber.
The land was successful.
She says about the Denes family who they got help. They saw him
with dinner, he did not know what he was eating, but he was very nice. They understood
mutating each other. The Hungarians are very friendly people,
he did it in his remembrances.
"A wonderful end has been the otherwise terrible day."
I hereby thank Áron Kőrösi and Nándor Mohos,
and I was honored to be involved in this important
The
We hope that for a couple of hours here they will be happy to remember,
they will not forget our little village where the husband, father,
grandfather who died in 2006.

Braxa Józsefné Erika
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