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[musec04]

Hello Moderator,


I feel that this thread has been hijacked and I propose to repost accordingly as it is no longer fit for purpose.


The poster is now on my blocked list.







Currently on ebay there is a photo of a Farman F.234 captioned as belonging to the Armee de l'air at :


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Aviation-pho...EAAOSwDkleblD~


As I seem to be having a little good fortune asking questions about obscure french aircraft of the 1939/40 period I'd like to ask two questions:


1. Has anyone any information on the use of this type in 1939/40?
2. What is the significance of the CT-10 marking onthe fuselage?


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Well I've found the answer to the second quesrtion mysef at :


aeroflight.co.uk/tag/france


CT = Corps Techniques


Regards,


Clint

[edwest2]

I am finding even more complications with French aircraft manufactures, such as:


The Société nationale des constructions aéronautiques du Nord (SNCAN), which was created in 1936 as a nationalized conglomerate of military aircraft manufacturers Potez (Méaulte, in the Somme), Amiot (Caudebec-en-Caux) and Bréguet (Le Havre) (all three in eastern Normandy), and also CAMS (Sartrouville) and A.N.F. Les Mureaux (Les Mureaux) (in the western suburbs of Paris).

It is worth noting that given the agglomeration of all those companies into state-controlled entities, some level of synergy between them might have led to new aircraft borrowing elements from one another (say, fuselage design a la Potez, fuselage structure a la CAMS), making it more difficult to trace one particular "house style" to the design. However, no aircraft were labeled "SNCAN" as such, and they continued to be called Potez, Bréguet, etc.

Of course, the SNCAO (Société nationale des constructions aéronautiques de l'Ouest) connection cannot be excluded, especially since Loire-Nieuport had facilities both on the seaside at Saint-Nazaire AND at Issy-les-Moulineaux, just outside Paris (while the Bréguet part of it was in Bouguennais, on the seaside too, not far from Saint-Nazaire). By 1941, SNCAO had become part of SNCASO (based in Bordeaux and Rochefort), which also fell under German control. Besides, it is worth noticing that not all CAO designations, used from 1937 on, are accounted for yet.

[edwest2]

Continued from above:


SNCAC, the Société Nationale de Constructions Aéronautiques du Centre, sometimes known as Aérocentre, was a French aircraft manufacturer created by the nationalisation of the Farman Aviation Works and Hanriot firms in 1936.


So SNCAC designations were like this:


NC 2230 (formerly the Farman F.223)
NC 2231 (formerly the Farman F.223.1) long-distance bomber/mail plane prototype used for distance record-breaking
NC 2233 (formerly the Farman F.223.3) night bomber (10 built)
NC 2234 (formerly the Farman F.223.4) trans-Atlantic mail plane (3 built)




I have found no NC designation for the Farman F.234 but there is a reference in "Les Avions Farman" by Jean Liron (out of print). In a list, there is Farman F. 234 with a code of F-ALHF and a date of 1931, with 16 built.

[musec04]

Ed,


Beyond the fact that all were manufactured by Farman, the aircraft you list are unrelated to the Farman F.230 series, of which the Farman F.234 was one member. For your information the F.230 family can be found here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_F.230


Regards,


Clint

[edwest2]

Clint,


Thanks. I am not familiar with French aircraft and their manufacturers. I decided to post the various consolidations for reference for the benefit of all reading.


Best,
Ed

[rof120]

Originally Posted by edwest2

Clint,


Thanks. I am not familiar with French aircraft and their manufacturers. I decided to post the various consolidations for reference for the benefit of all reading.


Best,
Ed

Ha, that's a laugh. With all due respect I dare contradict you, Sir (as you know I am a very brave hero). "Not familiar"? You know a lot more on this than most French people including myself, even if you just found the details in some documents and the like. So please allow me to congratulate you.

Here are just a few SMALL corrections which don't change anything in what I just wrote above:

"The Société nationale des constructions aéronautiques……"

There was a number of similar "nationalised" names but with "de" instead of "des".

Breguet has no accent (not Bréguet). Most French people make this error.

"...at Issy-les-Moulineaux, just outside Paris"

- Correct. It's a direct neighbour of the city of Paris (SW boundary); Issy is like a continuation of SW Paris. I lived there for some time when I was a student.

Bouguenais has only one N.

You see, all this is really not serious, you need not be scared by a possible French revenge.