Junkers 88 losses in Russia.

[steve sheridan]

Hi can anybody provide the usual loss details for the following a/c.

JU88A-4 W.Nr 4178 III/KG3

JU88A-5 W.Nr 6672 III/KG3

JU88A-5 W.Nr 6689 I/KG77

Any help gratefully accepted.

Rgs,
Steve.

[Jim P.]

Ju 88A-4, 4178, , , 5., KG 3, , , , , 12-Sep-42, Bruchlandung due to Flak., , Ostfront, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11, , Pl.Qu. 4784, 50%, F (Full WNr. Likely 144178. Have an A-5 w/same number lost over Kanal in 41)

Ju 88A-4, 4178, Hafner, Fw. Ernst, , II., KG 51, , , , , 30-May-43, Injured in Bauchlandung due to engine trouble. 2 other injured., , Ostfront, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #10)-Vol.17, , SW of Brjansk, 100%, H (Full WNr. Likely 144178. Have an A-5 w/same number lost over Kanal in 41)

Ju 88A-4, 6672, , , 8., KG 3, , 5K+_S, , , , 1942?, , Ostfront, Junkers Bombers, p.14 foto., , , ,
Ju 88A-4, 6672, , , III., KG 3, , , , , 28-May-42, Landing accident., , Ostfront, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9, , Orscha-Süd, 25%, F
Ju 88A-4, 6672, Bergmann, Ltn. Karl, , 8., KG 3, , , , , 30-Jun-42, Crew killed in crash., , Ostfront, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9, , Babinitschi, 100%, H

Do you have full code by chance?? The last I have only as a photo reference.

[steve sheridan]

Hiya Jim,
Many thanks for your reply,.

Having looked at my files again , it would appear ive made a typo with the machine W.Nr 4178, as it does appear as an A-5 and not as an A-4!
Im afraid its been a long day today!!
Just out of interest i have it as a 1/KG77 a/c 3Z+BH, black individual B outlined in white.

With W.Nr 6672 sadly i have i think , the same source has yourself, photographic evidence, and unfortunately no individual a/c letter.

Lastly, W.Nr 6689 i have listed as 5K+AS of 8/KG3 seen in Russia sometime in 1942? With the individual a/c letter A in red outlined in white. Again this is from a photo obtained some years ago.

Best Regards,
Steve.

[ArtieBob]

I have W.Nr. 6672 possibly arriving at Fritzlar on 1 Apr 42 with code DF+SZ.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

[Jim P.]

Just as a matter of interest:

Ju 88A-4, 6689, , , 8., KG 3, , 5K+AS, , , , Fall 41? 42?, , Ostfront, Philpott, German Bombers over Russia, p.42 foto, , , , F

[ArtieBob]

My estimate of acceptance dates for both W.Nr. 6672 and 6689 are March or April 1942, so it would appear the flight to Fritzlar, might have been a delivery flight to a Luftpark since it was carrying a Stkz. Thus a Fall 1941 date for 6689 seems unlikely for a photo with operational markings.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

[steve sheridan]

Hi Jim and Artie,
Many thanks for your replys regarding these a/c.
Artie can you confirm the stkz for W.Nr 6689 (DF+SZ) , and can i assume that the W.Nr 6672 i asked also about, would be within the same batch, of stkz being DF+SI ?

Best Rgs,
Steve.

[ArtieBob]

I made an error going back and forth between the spreadsheet and TOCH. Corrections have been posted. The Stkz should be pretty accurate. I have a Flugbuch entry that ties together W.Nr and Stkz for this block. The Kladde entry for Fritzlar lists only the Stkz, that is why I use the word possibly. With reverse engineering it is difficult to be 100% certain. For example, I have the monthly acceptance totals for ATG (assembly point for the Ju 88 6xxx W.Nr. block, but not the W.Nr.. I do have this data for another example and it is clear, acceptances do not follow in numerical sequence. That is why I use the term "estimate of acceptance date". The estimate can be off but hopefully not more than a few weeks.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

[steve sheridan]

Morning Artie,
Thank you for your reply, and explanation regarding the above.
I am a little clearer now, understand your clarification.

Best regards,
Steve.