Who killed the Hungarian Aces

[James A Pratt III]

I am looking through the Osprey book "Hungarian Aces of WW II" G Punka and would like to know who or what unit killed the following Hungarian Aces in WW II:
Lt Laszlo Molnar 7 Aug 44 one of 8 German and 8 other Hungarian fighters shot down by P-51s

Lt Jozsef Malik 16 April 45 killed on ground Raffelding AFB strafing P-51s

1Lt Ferenc Malnassy 21 Mar 45 shot down flying a FW 58 and KIA by P-38s

Sgt Lajos Buday 9 Mar 45 shot down and 2 other 109s hit by LA-7s near Urhida

Lt Imre Panczel 11 Jan 43 shot down with Ens I Szabo Ostrogoshk-Kopanche area
Sgt Pal Kovacs 22 Aug 44 shot down and one other 109 FTL by P-51s

Cpl/Maj Matyas Lorincz and 3 other 109 pilots shot down by P-51s

I have also read Punkas books Messer and the Squadron Signal book on the Hungarian Air Force in WW II .They were quite good.

[Csaba B. Stenge]

Read my aces book and you will find all of the answers.

Molnár was gunned down on parachute by Mustangs of 31st FG (impossible to identify the individual pilot, not 16 planes were shot down, but both killed Hungarian pilots were gunned down on parachute on that day)

Málik was killled on the ground by strafing Mustangs (impossible to identify the attacking pilot)

Málnássy by G. E. Hochstetler (49th FS 14th FG)

Buday by V. F. Bersenyev (848 IAP)

Pánczél by AA fire (according to my identify by own AA fire, so fratricide)

Kovács - contradictory sources, one says bomber gunners, other says by Mustangs

Lőrincz was killed while landing (overturned), received only few hits by Mustangs.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Interesting Csaba

Strangely Punka states that Buday claimed 2 x kills on 11.3.45.
That is a bit strange if he already had been killed on the 9th as stated by James. Can't see that Punka states he really was killed that date in the text of the book.

Do you have a correct date for his demise?

Best Regards
Stig

[Csaba B. Stenge]

Buday was killed on 17 March, 1945 around 16:00 over Úrhida (he was gunned down while bail out)

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Csaba

THAT makes a lot more sense...

B Rgds
Stig

[James A Pratt III]

Thanks for the info. I will try and get hold of your book.

[Nikita Egorov]

Originally Posted by Csaba Becze

Buday was killed on 17 March, 1945 around 16:00 over Úrhida (he was gunned down while bail out)

Csaba,

Are you sure that he was killed by Bersenyev? Operational documents do not file any time for his claim and at least six more Me-109 were claimed by 288 IAD pilots in the vicinity of Stuhlweissenburg that day and a number of Fw-190 by pilots of 295 IAD, also flying La-5s.

[Csaba B. Stenge]

Originally Posted by Nikita Egorov

Csaba,

Are you sure that he was killed by Bersenyev? Operational documents do not file any time for his claim and at least six more Me-109 were claimed by 288 IAD pilots in the vicinity of Stuhlweissenburg that day and a number of Fw-190 by pilots of 295 IAD, also flying La-5s.

Nikita,

since no exact timing in Soviet claims (at least, known by me), other pilot also possible, but what I know about these claims, Bersenyev's claim is the closest one (detailed combat reports, even without timing would help a lot).
BTW in Hungarian side, there are also a different date for Buday's demise (even in the local death registry - I have a copy from that village but according to my research, it is an error) The date is 17th and timing is around 4pm, it is 100% sure.

It was extremely hard to compile that material, since most of the official sources went missing, and even the remained ones contain errors.