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Old 6th December 2008, 12:40
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Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

On that days morning, the VVS attacked the airfields in
Husi (20 IL2, 15 fighters) and
Roman (18 IL2, 15 fighters).

Several airplanes were damaged in Husi.

Who knows details? Should be SG2, maybe SG10, JG52, KG4...
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Old 7th December 2008, 11:32
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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

Also afaik 6 planes were lost on 30th of May (while flying).

Maybe that can be traced?
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Old 11th December 2008, 20:39
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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

... Or is anyone willing to share loss data from III./JG52, SG2, SG10, KG4, NAGr.14 or rumanian units in the timeframe 28.05-8.06.1944?

For the soviet side, I have some information already.

Also, anything on comat flight reports or such is wellcome... i.e. I got info that there were 1100 flights on 30th of May alone...

I found out that nearly all air battles in tha time were ca. 20-30km N of Iasi, where two small german ops intended a local improvement of teh defensive positions ("Katja" and "Sonja").

Somehow I feel that this forum does neglect my thread here .

PS: I am slightly maniac'ed about this topic because of my year-long work on the map for IL-2 and I got some new infos which I hope to widen now.
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Old 12th December 2008, 11:28
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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

Hi!

III./JG 52:

29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
31.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat

I./SG 2

30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat

II./S.G.2

30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
02.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
02.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, combat

More this afternoon

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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

Thank you! I will put here my data on I & II/JG52 and later will try to summarize and combine with ground ops.

Nearly all claims during these battles were made in locations "78 6xx" and "78 8xx". So far, this can be identified on the map below. An open point for me is the "xx" in these locations. Who knows how this can be interpreted?

A cutout of the 1943 Luftwaffe 1:300.000 map of the area:
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Old 13th December 2008, 23:09
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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

Losses of I/JG52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged on landing
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, air combat (Uffz Lechner KIA)
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat ("tech. Mängel")
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat ("Betriebsstörung")
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, loss ?, non-combat ("tech. Mängel")
06.06.1944 2 aircraft, loss ?, 1x Motor, 1x combat w 8 P-39 "safe landing, Fw. Nordmann WIA"
09.06.1944 1 aircraft, loss ?, non-combat ("Betriebsstörung")

II/JG52 will follow soon.

One more thing:
On 1st of June, the Axis flew ca. 650 missions, again all in this small area...
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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

OK, more summary losses:

I/J.G.52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat (Fi 156)
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
09.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

II./J.G.52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
31.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

III./S.G.2:
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat

I./S.G.10:
30.05.1944 4 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

II./S.G.10:
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

III./S.G.10:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

Stab/N.A.Gr.14:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat

1./N.A.Gr.14:
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat

2./N.A.Gr.14:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat

3./N.A.Gr.14:
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

Hope this is of interest.

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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

Superb, thank you! Slowly, I get the full picture concerning the german losses .

If one imagines that one day there were 1.100 Luftwaffe flights over this small area... similar concentration of aircraft like Kursk (measured in flight per km frontline).
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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

I have to "warm up" this thread...

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OK, more summary losses:

I/J.G.52:
29.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
30.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat (Fi 156)
01.06.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
02.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
04.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
05.06.1944 2 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
06.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
09.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat
[...]
Andreas, there is a discrepancy between your data and mine for the 6th of June: On that day, Fw. Nordmann from 1.Staffel was wounded and made a safe landing in Iasi after DF with 8 Airacobra. The plane was a 109G-6, WkNr 163018 W6 [Barbas, I/JG52].

Is it possible that such an incident would not be reported in your source?

Also, one more plea: Do you also have loss data of 10. & 12./SG9 (Hs129) and/or romanian units during the timeframe 29.5. - 8.6. 1944?

I.e., I read that romanian units lost 4 Ju87 on the 30th of May [Weal, Stuka units...].
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Re: Losses of FK I on 29.5.44

Hi, Yogy.

No real discrepancy for 6.6.1944:

The unit reported one aircraft total loss without enemy action = probably landing accident or similar. In this accident the pilot sustained no injuries.

They also reported one pilot wounded in category 1-17 (= due to enemy action). As you stated yourself, this pilot landed his aircraft safely, and the damage to the aircraft would then probably be below 10% (shattered canopy or whatever, maybe you can add details??), and thus there will be no entry in the summary loss records for aircraft, but there IS an entry in the summary loss records for personnel (it would have appeared in the GenQu list of July 6th 1944 if it was available).

Did this clear things?

Regarding SG 9:

10.(Pz)/S.G.9:
01.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat

12.(Pz)/S.G.9:
No aircraft losses recorded during this period

Rumänische Stukagruppe:

30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat
30.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
31.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat (durch Flakbeschuß)
31.05.1944 2 aircraft, total loss, combat (durch Bordwaffenbeschuß)

Rumänische Jagdgruppe:

30.05.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

Rumänische Schlachtgruppe:

31.05.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, combat
03.06.1944 3 aircraft, total loss, combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat06.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, combat

Rumänische Kampfgruppe:

03.06.1944 1 aircraft, total loss, non-combat
03.06.1944 1 aircraft, damaged, non-combat

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