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Old 13th October 2011, 09:29
Mirek Wawrzynski Mirek Wawrzynski is offline
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List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

I wonder if does it exist the list of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?
I am looking for the victor over Soviet bomber on 27.08.41 over Baltic See (near Saaremaa/Ozylia Island). There were training unit of JG 54, and maybe its pilot had shot down/claimed this Soviet bomber?

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Old 13th October 2011, 10:58
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

Ogefr. Rudolf Schöchlin, 1.Erg./JG 54; DB-3; Pl.Qu. 28874/25 Ost; 12:50

Can you please provide details on the soviet side?
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Old 13th October 2011, 13:10
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

3 DB-3T of 1. MTAP (pilots kpt. Jesin commander plus crews of lejt. Jurin (Yurin), Rusakow and escort of 6 I-153s commanded by mjr Kudrjawcew. This was one of plane of special avaition group (crews of 1. MTAP plus 57. BAP), which had made 9 attacks agianst Berlin since 7.08.41

One DB-3T (nr 391127) of kpt. Jesin shot down, all 3 members KIA, plus to killed Jesin (or Yesin) were navigator Chachibulin, and radio-operator Njankin.

A little strange, I have info about attack done against German transport plus two escort ships after 16.00? (Soviet this hour should took off form Kagul, but German data could be more credible.

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DB-3T it was see version of DB-3B, adopted to carried torpedos and other see weapons (mines).

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Old 13th October 2011, 13:15
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

Russian names: Кудрявцев.


капитан Есина, лейтенанты Юрин, Русаков.



KIA:

Есин, капитан - летчик.

Хабибулин, лейтенант-штурман.

Нянкин, краснофлотец - стрелок-радист.
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Old 18th October 2011, 11:20
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

I wonder if there any other information about aditional claiming. I have found that also one I-153 was shot down in this fighting from 12. KOAE.

Do you have any information about this claims even as probably?

BTW, may you know: How many Me 109s did take part in this combat?

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Old 18th October 2011, 14:22
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

Prien had two victories for 1.Erg/JG 54 this day:

Lt Wolfgang Kretschmer claimed an I-18 in Pl.Qu. 28451/25 Ost at 12h35 for his 2nd victory.
Ogefr Rudolf Schöchlin claimed a DB-3 in Pl.Qu. 28874/25 Ost at 12h50 for his 1st victory.

I know that types claimed by German pilots were often wrong in summer 1941, but don't remember if I-18 was used for I-153.

Can you give us details of the shot down I-153 ?
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Old 18th October 2011, 16:05
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

Beside I-153 12. KOAE had also at least 2 even more 3 or 4 Jak-1, which had got in August 1941 from 71. IAP WWS KBF. These Jaks were also used over Saaremaa.

Code I-18 was used, if right remember, for marking Jak-1 or MiG-3, I-153 was mostly called as Curtiss, and it was easy to make distinction between Jak-1 and I-153.

It is possible that for the excort of DB-3T were used also one or 2 Jak-1 with I-153s. I do not know pilot's name of the shot down plane.

Jak-1 could be damaged during this battle? This is speculation.

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Old 18th October 2011, 16:21
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

Hello

No idea about I-18
But:
I-26 for Jak1
I-200 for MiG 1
I-301 for LaGG-1
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Old 20th October 2011, 10:59
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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

BTW it is possible that one MiG-3 could be lost from 71. IAP VVS KBF, a few of them had escaped to Saaremma by the end of August 1941. This second fighter unit also fought on island. And I-18 is near MiG-3 then Yak-1.

I wonder if JG 54 had sustained any losses in this combat?

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Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

I don't know about any losses on that day.
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