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Old 19th October 2013, 16:11
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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply

Hi Richard,

As I was going through various primary sources about the airlift I was wondering if anyone had written a book in English about the subject. It would be very interesting to research and write about ... but I already have far too many books and articles to finish!

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Hi Richard, As I was going through various primary sources about the airlift I was wondering if anyone had written a book in English about the subject. It would be very interesting to research and write about ... but I already have far too many books and articles to finish! Cheers,
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Andrew

I think there would be a very strong market for an English language book (or even a multi volume work) on the Stalingrad air-lift re-supply operations. I have found it very interesting reading about it and have to admit at being frustrated at the sometimes contradictory entries concerning the units/dates etc. currently out there.


Aside from the hope for a book on this in the future.....

Is anyone able to provide loss details for the Heinkel He 111 of 3./KG27 during the airlift re-supply period at all? It would be a great help, I am hopeful in anticipation.

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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply

This is a little bit late, but might add something to the previous messages.
1942-09-17 9./KG 27 He 111H-6 4504 Bei Bol.-Wereika Flakbeschuß über Mokryi, nördlich Woronesh. Bruch ? %.
1942-09-18 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 7726 Kursk Flakbeschuß. Bruch 20 %.
1942-09-19 I/KG 27 Go 242 393 2,5 km westlich Fl.Pl. Rossosch Unfreiwillige Bodenberührung. Bruch 80 %.
1942-09-21 10./KG 27 He 111H-6 4273 1,5 km nördlich Fl.Pl. Poltawa Absturz und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
1942-09-21 2./KG 27 He 111H-6 7650 Monastyrschtschenka Bauchlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 70 %.
1942-09-21 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 7378 Fl.Pl. Kastornoje Bruchlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 15 %.
1942-09-21 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 7708 1G+CR Südöstlich Woronesh Vermutlich Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1942-09-21 II/KG 27 Bf 108B-1 1119 Fl.Pl. Kursk Explosion eigener Bombe. Bruch 80 %.
1942-09-21 II/KG 27 He 111H-6 7722 Fl.Pl. Kursk Explosion eigener Bomben. Bruch 80 %.
1942-09-28 10./KG 27 He 111P-2 2682 Bei Poltawa Bauchlandung infolge Motorstörung. Bruch 30 %.
1942-09-28 III/KG 27 He 111H-6 4874 Fl.Pl. Millerowo Rollschaden infolge schlechter Bodenverhältnisse. Bruch 20 %.
1942-10-03 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 4878 Fl.Pl. Kursk-Ost Bombenwurf. Bruch 10 %.
1942-10-04 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 7781 1G+HR (Woronesh) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-10-06 11./KG 27 He 111H-6 7501 Fl.Pl. Poltawa Bruchlandung infolge Bedienungsfehler. Bruch 35 %.
1942-10-06 12./KG 27 He 111H-2 2701 Fl.Pl. Poltawa Bruchlandung. Bruch 10 %.
1942-10-09 5./KG 27 He 111H-6 7121 1G+BC 20 km südlich Michailowka Wahrscheinlich von russ, Jäger gerammt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-10-15 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 7843 1G+LR Fl.Pl. Millerowo Bruchlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 15 %.
1942-10-20 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 7719 1G+GP 3-4 km südlich Gratschi, an der Bahnlinie Stalingrad - Kotluban Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1942-10-20 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 7818 Notlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 60 %.
1942-10-25 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 4371 1G+ER (Stalingrad) Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 30 %.
1942-10-27 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 4958 Fl.Pl. Millerowo Bauchlandung. Bruch 40 %.
1942-10-28 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7369 Fl.Pl. Millerowo Unbekannt. Bruch 20 %.
1942-11-08 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 4671 1G+AM 4 km westlich Stalingrad Notlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 40 %.
1942-11-08 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 4272 1G+MP Stalingrad Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-11-12 8./KG 27 He 111H-6 7711 1G+AS (Sserafimowitsch) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-11-13 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 7848 1G+NP 20 km nordwestlich Klitzkaja Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1942-11-21 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7851 1G+JM (Blinoff - Kletskaja) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-11-21 5./KG 27 He 111H-6 7674 1G+FN (Blinoff - Kletskaja) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-11-22 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7864 1G+PM (Raum Ssirotinskaja) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-11-22 5./KG 27 He 111H-6 7862 1G+BC Fl.Pl. Millerowo Bauchlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 30 %.
1942-11-22 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 999998 25 km nordöstlich Oblinskaja Erdbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
1942-11-22 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 999999 15 km westlich Kalatsch Erdbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
1942-11-22 7./KG 27 He 111H-6 7844 1G+MR Nordöstlich Fl.Pl. Obliwskaja Feindbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
1942-11-22 8./KG 27 He 111H-6 7870 1G+NS Bei Thier Erdbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
1942-11-23 5./KG 27 He 111H-6 7697 1G+EN Südwestlich Kalatsch Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-11-23 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 7704 1G+HP 2 km nordnordwestlich Millerowo Flakbeschuß 40 km südwestlich Kletskaja. Bruch 80 %.
1942-11-26 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 999999 Kalatsch Flakbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
1942-11-30 12./KG 27 He 111H-6 4891 1G+LW (Kalatsch) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-12-06 1./KG 27 He 111H-6 7574 1G+BH (Buturlinowka - Kalatsch) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-12-07 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7844 1G+HM (Pitomnik) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-12-11 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 4923 Fl.Pl. Millerowo Bruchlandung. Bruch 20 %.
1942-12-12 1./KG 27 He 111 999999 Bei Bahnhof Talowaja Kesselexplosion einer Lokomotive. Bruch ? %.
1942-12-15 2./KG 27 He 111H-6 7016 1G+IK Golaja Notlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 80 %.
1942-12-17 5./KG 27 He 111H-6 7405 Fl.Pl. Millerowo Bombenwurf. Bruch 15 %.
1942-12-20 10./KG 27 He 111P-2 2649 Fl.Pl. Gleiwitz Notlandung. Bruch 80 %.
1942-12-20 5./KG 27 He 111H-6 7039 1G+NN Fl.Pl. Urasoff Unfreiwillige Bodenberührung bei Landung und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
1942-12-22 2./KG 27 He 111H-6 7823 Fl.Pl. Urasoff Bruchlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 35 %.
1942-12-24 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 4883 1G+ML 20 km östlich Tschertkowo Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1942-12-28 4./KG 27 He 111H-14 7907 1G+DM Fl.Pl. Urasoff M.G.-Beschuß. Bruch ? %.
1943-01-01 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 7462 Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Bei Landung von He 111 gerammt. Bruch 35 %.
1943-01-03 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 7896 1G+AK 10-15 km südlich Kalatsch Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-04 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 4591 1G+IL 3 km nördlich Paptschino Notlandung infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 45 %.
1943-01-04 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7702 Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 25 %.
1943-01-07 1./KG 27 He 111H-6 4426 Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Unfreiwillige Bodenberührung beim Start. Bruch 80 %.
1943-01-11 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 4291 1G+EN Fl.Pl. Pitomnik Bauchlandung. Bruch 60 %.
1943-01-11 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 4553 1G+FP Fl.Pl. Pitomnik Absturz bei Landung infolge unfreiwilliger Bodenberührung. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-13 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7881 1G+GN (Tschertkowo) Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-15 5./KG 27 He 111H-6 4869 1G+MN Westlich Rubeshnyj Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-17 5./KG 27 He 111H-14 7906 Fl.Pl. Pitomnik Von eigener Truppe zerstört. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-17 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 4978 1G+GP Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Absturz beim Start infolge Bodenberührung. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-18 7./KG 27 He 111H-16 8207 Gumrak Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 40 %.
1943-01-19 9./KG 27 He 111H-16 999999 Fl.Pl. Gumrak Erdabwehr. Bruch ? %.
1943-01-20 1./KG 27 He 111H-6 7834 Fl.Pl. Gumrak Bruch bei Bauchlandung. Bruch 40 %.
1943-01-21 6./KG 27 He 111H-6 7151 Nowotscherkassk Erdabwehr. Bruch 25 %.
1943-01-22 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7832 Fl.Pl. Gumrak Bruchlandung. Bruch 25 %.
1943-01-22 4./KG 27 He 111H-6 7870 Fl.Pl. Gumrak Fehlstart infolge schlechter Bodenverhältnisse. Bruch 30 %.
1943-01-23 1./KG 27 He 111H-6 7360 1G+HU Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Absturz bei Landung infolge Bodenberührung. Bruch 80 %.
1943-01-24 8./KG 27 He 111H-16 8220 Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Flakbeschuß. Bruch 40 %.
1943-01-24 9./KG 27 He 111H-16 8192 1G+FT Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Flakbeschuß. Bruch 30 %.
1943-01-25 10./KG 27 He 111H-6 7502 12 km östlich Fl.Pl. Poltawa Absturz nach Start infolge Motorstörung und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
1943-01-31 1./KG 27 He 111H-6 4688 Taganrog Bruchlandung. Bruch 35 %.
1943-02-02 14./KG 27 (I/KG 3) He 111H-6 7868 1G+DY Charkow/Woitschenko Absturz nach Start. Bruch 100 %.
1943-02-02 9./KG 27 He 111H-14 7912 1G+CT Borgoroditsche Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.

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Old 20th October 2013, 17:44
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Re: I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply

The following planes belonging to KG27 were found and examined by Soviet side after the Stalingrad operation:

1G+BS in Novocherkassk-Khutunok on February 14.
1G+HU, w.n. 7360, same place and date
1G+FK w.n. 4426, same place and date

w.n. 8192 was later finished off by bombing at Novocherkassk after it landed with 30% damage on January 24.
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I./KG27 & Stalingrad Air Supply

Matti that is a great help thank you very much indeed.

With regards to the 3./KG27 losses isted below;

1942-12-11 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 4923 Fl.Pl. Millerowo Bruchlandung. Bruch 20 %.

1942-12-24 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 4883 1G+ML 20 km östlich Tschertkowo Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.

1943-01-01 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 7462 Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Bei Landung von He 111 gerammt. Bruch 35 %.


Can anyone please provide any crew details at all for these?

As always any help really will be very well received indeed.

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1942-12-24
Flugzeugführer Uffz Kahler, Franz, vermißt
Beobachter Lt Nordmann, Franz, vermißt
Bordfunker Fw Schneider, Karl, vermißt
Bordmechaniker Uffz Wagner, Werner, vermißt
Bordschütze Ogfr Hille, Hans-Joachim, vermißt

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Matti, many thanks as always for your help with these loss details, it really is appreciated.


1942-12-11 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 4923 Fl.Pl. Millerowo Bruchlandung. Bruch 20 %.

1943-01-01 3./KG 27 He 111H-6 7462 Fl.Pl. Nowotscherkassk Bei Landung von He 111 gerammt. Bruch 35 %.


Is anyone able to help at all with the crew details of these aircraft?

Any help will as always be gratefully received.

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If Matti has no crew details, there were no casualties on both of these.
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If Matti has no crew details, there were no casualties on both of these.
You are right, I should of taken note of the % of damage before re-asking the question. My mistake.

Just want to say a heartfelt thank you to all who have helped and provided input on this matter, it is genuinly appreciated. The Stalingrad air-lift is a fascinating subject and I hope that an English language work is one day published on the topic.

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03.02.1943
He 111 H-6 2./ KG 27 1G + AK 7896 100%
10 km south of Kalatsch Attack of two sowj. Fighters
Fw. Willi Wunderlich 19.09.1916 MIA
Hptm. Bernhard von Hasselbach 02.06.1913 MIA
Uffz. Siegfried Ost 23.05.1920 MIA
Ogfr. Hans Alles 14.09.1920
Ogfr. Gerhard Althuis 06.11 1918 MIA
7 Wounded MIA

04.01.1943
He 111 H-6 3./ KG 27 1G + HL 4591 100%
After Fighterattack forced landing 3 lkm north of Paptschiono
Fw. Dieter
Uffz. Herbert Mayerhofer 05.08.1914 +
Ogfr. Wilhelm Rinka 18.05.1917 WIA
Ogfr. Helmut Schade 06.07.1920 +
Ogfr. Ernst Gröning 24.06.1921 WIA

07.01.1943
He 111 H-6 2./ KG 27 1G + FK 4426 80%
Starting to Stalingrad ground contact and crash
He 111 von fron 2./ Kg 27, crew from 1./ KG 27
Ltn. Franz Valta 11.02.1913 WIA
Ogff. Gerhrad Poselt 08.04.1917 +
Uffz. Hans Dressler 19.11.1919 WIA
Uffz. Heinz Heiseler 11.09.1919 +
Ogfr. Fridolin Edeler 02.05.1921 WIA

11.01.1943 4./ KG 27 1G + EN 4291 60%
Belly Landing in the pocket of Stalingard. The crew will be flyout with another Ju 52.
Fw Wilhelm Ebbinghaus 28.10.1915 WIA
Uffz. heinz Schröter 27.01.1920 WIA
Ogfr. Friedrich Böttcher 17.09.1921 WIA
Fw. Hermann Petersen 13.06.1915 WIA

Waiss KG 27

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