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Old 18th March 2017, 21:10
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Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Hi all,

Who can help me identify this Wellington Bomber, which crashed into the harbour of Wilhelmshaven Germany.
You can see the first letter of the serienr "R"

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Old 18th March 2017, 21:24
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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Hello Michel,

Do you have any info as to a date when the Wellington was shot down, perhaps noted on the back of the photo? I can check the Wilhelmshaven Flak claims but need a time frame in which to search.

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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Hi Theo,
Unfortunately, there's nothing written on the back...that's the problem

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Old 19th March 2017, 14:52
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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Serial "R1###"
Possibly R16## or R18##
So narrows it down a little as does the wide white bar in the fin marking, May 1940 - July 1942.

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Old 19th March 2017, 15:52
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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Alas I've no Wellington loss in the Wilhelmshaven bay area starting with R16.. or R18..

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Old 19th March 2017, 17:34
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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Hello,
Have looked in BCL books for 1941/42.
These may be possibilities -
All are "R" a/c
1016 - 15/8/41
1045 - 22/2/41
1604 - 29/30/8/41
1608 - 25/6/41
1608 - 25/6/41
1614 - 15/7/41
1800 - 3/8/41
1802 - 13/3/42

Of the above 1800;1608 and 1045 may deserve a closer look.

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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

It is not R1608. That plane crashed on land
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Old 21st March 2017, 08:33
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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

I have R1608 as crashed in Lake Dobersdorf near Kiel at 02.25 hrs on 25th June 1941, but have not been able to find a matching German (Flak) claim. Do you perhaps? Cheers, Theo
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Old 21st March 2017, 12:44
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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Hello,
I overlooked R1802 in my earlier post.
So -

R1802
311 Sqdn
"KX - P"
SOS at 2053 hrs after which further messages received indicated the a/c was loseing height and speed.
The last signal intercepted reported a sea landing was imminent and its position was given as 5317N, 0307E.
Despite a search no trace of a/c or crew was found.

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Old 21st March 2017, 13:00
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Re: Wellington crashed Wilhelmshaven

Taken from Air Britain's "RAF Aircraft P1000-R999"
R1800 - 101 Sqdn - Shot down by night fighter in Ijsselmeer on return from Hamburg, 3.8.41.
R1801 - 101/419/12otu - Crashed at Woodhouse Eaves,Leics, 7.10.42.
R1802 - 149/311 - Ditched end route to Kiel 80m ENE of Cromer, Norfolk 13.3.42.
R1803 - 23 out - Engine cut, flew into hill while overshooting Pershore, 25.1.42.
R1804 - 311 - Swung on take off for air test and hit steamroller, East Wretham, 19.7.41.
R1805 - 115 - Both engines cut in circuit, Markham, on return from Hamburg, 30.6.41.
R1806 - 27 out - DBF in accident, 10.8.41; NFD.
The remainder of the R18##'s were two Supermarine 322's and then Miles Magister's.

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