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Old 29th June 2016, 16:10
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FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

Can anyone tell me anything more about this Jabo? Possibly Erg./SKG 10?
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Old 29th June 2016, 16:21
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Hi Chris

I have with 2./SKG 10 marked as a training a/c with Ufz.Heinz Erhardt. No W?Nr or source - sorry.
If you have the W/Nr or any other details then I would like to hear from you

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Old 29th June 2016, 16:49
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Re: FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

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The photo was given to me by Ehrhardt but this pre-dates his time with I./SKG 10 (I believe)

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Old 29th June 2016, 17:25
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Re: FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

DT+FO was clearly a Fw 190F-8, the first of this version were delivered in March 1944, ten month after Erhardt became a POW.
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Old 29th June 2016, 17:28
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Re: FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

Hmm-here it is and he says it is him in the cockpit

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Re: FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

I have as source with this stkz "Luftwaffe Hit-and-Run Raiders" by Chris Goss Classic Publications
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Re: FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

Correct-I wrote the book!
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Re: FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO


Chris, et al.,

This is an interesting discussion about "your" Fw 190 D T + F O. The photo of this kite helps greatly.

The D T + F O is a Fw 190A-4:

• No underwing bomb racks as fitted to the F-8 are visible.
• The profile of the upper fuselage forward of the cockpit is that of a Fw 190 anterior to the A-5 or F-8 series, i.e., an airplane fitted with MG 17s.
• The very rear end of the teardrop shaped fairing on the lower cowling goes slightly back beyond and over the wing fillet as characteristic of the A-4. The lengthened fuselage of the A-5 and later and of the F-8 shifted the teardrop fairing forward about six inches, or forward of the wing fillet.
• The Fw 190 D T + F G was reported in an ULTRA intercept as moving in northern Italy on 21 May 1944. See HW 5/486 - CX/MSS/T191/152.

Perhaps Peter Rodeike or some other knowledgeable reader has Werknummern for the D T + F - series.

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FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

Hi Rabe

I must admit that I do not know the specific sub-type of the aircraft shown in the photograph but I honestly have to say that I do not believe that it is a early sub-type. The machine gun cowl appears to be that of a MG 131 armed machine and the 150-mm insert of the lengthened forward fuselage can also be seen in my opinion. Finally, the pitot tube is mounted on the wingtip as was standard for the Fw 190 A-8 and F-8. The aircraft was also fitted with the D/F loop antenna which I have the impression was not all that common on the Fw 190 A-4. Of course, I might very well be in error on some or all of the points made above but I hope this can lead to additional discussion.

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Re: FW 190 A STKZ DT+FO

Hi Chris,

Whilst writing up and research the histories of the RAF Museum a/c which was never published by RAFM - I have the following in my note book which came about whilst researching there F-8 two seater.

RAFM have other pic's too if it's the same a/c.

Andy

FW.190A-4/U-8, Unit: ex II/SKG 10, Serial: PE882, ex H (W.Nr.47155). Feldwebel Otto Bechtolt's machine following capture at West Malling.

FW.190A-4/U-8, Unit: unknown, Serial: PM679, ex 9 (W.Nr.45843).

On arrival at Manston this aircraft had a heavy black distemper coat obscuring all insignia on the fuselage, fin and undersides except for a red 9. This appears to have been applied by brush, not sprayed on. The pilot Ufz. Heinz Ehrhardt mistakenly landed at Manstone.

At RAF it was piloted by J. A. Storrar (?). Farnborough, On 15 July 1943.
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