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Old 29th May 2009, 11:38
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Unit code 9H?

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Does anybody know which unit had the code 9H+..? I checked some www-sources but they didn't mention 9H.

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Re: Unit code 9H?

I'd need to check but I'm pretty sure I've seen it in ULTRA for Nahauklärungsstaffel Kroatien in May 1944.
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Old 29th May 2009, 15:07
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Re: Unit code 9H?

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Hello,
Does anybody know which unit had the code 9H+..? I checked some www-sources but they didn't mention 9H.
Thanks,
Roger

Nick is correct. Nahaufklärungsstaffel Kroatien used (9H+ ) on its Hs 126s and Do 17s from its formation in March 1943 to May 1945.
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Old 29th May 2009, 15:11
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Re: Unit code 9H?

Hello Nick and Larry,

Thanks a lot! Interesting. Do you know if they also had Ju 88 on strength?

I have a photo of a Ju 88 9H+SL with a yellow stripe around the rear fuselage.

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Old 29th May 2009, 15:13
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Re: Unit code 9H?

PS: I just checked http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/aufkl/bkroatien.html and from Sept 44 some Ju 88 C-6 are mentioned.

Are any photos of their Ju 88 known? Is there a good source of information about the history of this unit?

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Old 29th May 2009, 16:28
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Re: Unit code 9H?

Hi Roger,

I have a history of it compiled by me from all available sources and I can try and answer any questions you might have. Unfortunately, I'm an operations guy and not a hardware guy. So if you have detailed questions about the Staffel's aircraft other that it's 1943 losses and its beständigen Meldungen as given on the Michael Holm web site, then I probably can't answer those.

More specifically, there is no known published or manuscript history of the Staffel, and I have no photos of it. The Bundesarchiv in Koblenz might have some, though.
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Old 30th May 2009, 17:56
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Re: Unit code 9H?

Hi Larry,

Do you have any information about a Ju 88 9H+SL? Perhaps it appears in some log book. Judging from the name this unit only had one Staffel. If so, I guess a code like 9H+SL wouldn't make much sense (L was the Staffel letter). Or were there other aircraft of this unit with similar tactical markings?

Do you know where the unit was based during the last months of the war?

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Old 30th May 2009, 18:54
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Re: Unit code 9H?

Roger -

NASt. Kroatien, code (9H+ ), was a single Staffel that fluctuated between 9 and 17 aircraft in all. It had a total of 8 Gen.Qu. loss report entries between 19 May 1943 and 12 November 1943, plus at least one for 1945, and they are all for Hs 126s, Do 17Zs and Fi 156s. I don’t have any loss information for 1944, of course. In October 1944, a single Bf 109 was acquired and tests were carried out on a Ju 87. The documents and personal correspondence with a Staffel member who served with it for nearly its entire existence make no mention of a Ju 88 ever being in the hands of the Staffel.

The Staffel was based at Zagreb-Lučko during its entire existence, although it operated from other airfields in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina as needed, and here are the historical entries for its last three months:

"Reconnaissance operations from December 1944 to April 1945 were limited to only a few sorties a day as the weather allowed, mainly due to the critical fuel situation.
19 February 1945: Hs 126B-l flipped over on landing at Zagreb-Lučko, 60%.
14 March 1945: Staffel ordered disbanded, but this either cancelled or delayed.
9 April 1945: reported 17(16) Bf 109Gs and Hs 126s on strength under 17. Fliegerdivision.
3 May 1945: still at Zagreb-Lučko and the general withdrawal north to Austria from Zagreb area was carried out on 7 May. Just prior to the evacuation of Zagreb, all remaining aircraft belonging to the Staffel were ordered handed over to Croatian officers and then the personnel of NASt. Kroatien (all German Luftwaffe), both flying and non-flying, headed north by truck and surrendered to Allied forces at Mauerkirchen/ Austria a few days later."

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Re: Unit code 9H?

Hi Larry,

Thanks a lot for the information. Perhaps there were only so few Ju 88 (based on the list at www.ww2.dk until end of 1944) that the Staffel members didn't explicitely mention the Ju 88 ?

Or of course, based on your information it seems more and more probable that I read the unit code wrongly and that instead it was 8H for (F)33. Since (F)33 had 4 Staffeln the code 8H+SL would make more sense than 9H+SL. 1. and 3. Staffel had Ju 88 on strengh (at least until end of 1944 according to ww2.dk). 3. Staffel had the Staffel letter 'L'. So 8H+SL would fit perfectly.

3./(F)33 operated in Greece and Hungary under Luftflotte 4 before it went back to Germany just before the end of the war. So, the yellow fuselage band would make sense as well.

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Re: Unit code 9H?

As you can see from the following, 3.(F)/33 was at Zagreb-Pleso from mid-November 1944 to mid-January 1945. Zagreb-Pleso is just a stone's throw from Zagreb-Lucko where NASt. Kroatien was based at the same time.

3.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 33
Code: (8H + )
Last 7 months of entries:
10.10.44: transferred from Salonika-Sedes to Skopje/Macedonia on or about this date; still under FAGr. 4, the Staffel had 9(5) Ju 88s and Ju l88s, the former being the high-altitude T-l and T-3 variants.
22.10.44: Ju l88 D-2 (8H+AL) crashed in Greece due to engine failure, or possibly shot down by a RAF Beaufighter, while on a long-range day reconnaissance flight to check shipping between Greece and Crete and then along the approaches to the Dardanelles on the return leg, 100%, 3 KIA and 2 captured.
2.11.44: now at Szombathely/W Hungary with a Kette detached at Skopje and still under FAGr. 4.
29.11.44: now at Zagreb-Pleso/Croatia with 6(2) Ju 88s and Ju l88s under Fliegerführer Nordbalkan.
1.12.44: Staffel reported 4 x Ju 188 D-2 and 2 x Ju 188 F-1 on strength.
10.1.45: Zagreb-Pleso with 13(10) Ju 88s and Ju l88s under FAGr. 4.
16.1.45: transferred from Zagreb-Pleso to Szombathely.
20.2.45: Ju 188 D-2 damaged landing at Fp. Szombathe1y, 10%.
26.3.45: Szombathe1y under FAGr. 4.
9.4.45: transferred to Kirchham/c.30 km SSW of Wels in Austria with 10(10) Ju 88s and Ju 188s.
10.4.45: ordered disbanded this date by OKL.
3.5.45: Kirchham in the process of being disbanded under FAGr. 4.

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