NSGr losses 16th to 31st Dec.1944

[Brian Bines]

I am hoping to find the losses of NSGr 1, 2 and 20 in the period 16th to 31st.Dec.1944 does anybody know if they are included in this book please ''Die Einsätze der Nachtschlachtgruppen 1, 2 und 20 an der Westfront von September 1944 bis Kriegsende ''.

Thanks

Brian Bines

[Nick Beale]

The book is very thorough, it's based on Christian's Ph.D. thesis. Losses are given within the narrative, so don't expect a simple tabulation. Still, a good chance to practise one's German!

[Brian Bines]

Nick, thanks for that, looks like a future purchase and as you say a chance to improve one's German,

Regards

Brian Bines

[FalkeEins]

very nice ..but pricey book ....I just so happen to have a copy I'm looking to dispose of if interested..

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Brian,

I am glad if I can help for your help received in the past! As I have the book at home because these operations were in 'my' area (Venlo, Bönninghardt etc.), it must be possible to send the answers if it is included in Christian Möllers book.

Please contact me off board: marcelhogenhuis[at]gmail.com

All the best, Marcel / Venlo

[Nick Beale]

So Brian, what are you working that gives rise to your various queries about losses in the last fortnight of 1944?

[Brian Bines]

Nick I just get interested in a Luftwaffe aircraft or operation and try to find what information I can. A good few years back I got the Bodenplatte and Steinbock 'K' reports from the US to research them purely as a hobby. Now I am just looking into Luftwaffe operations over the West Front from the opening of the Bulge to Bodenplatte, quite interesting as many branches of the Luftwaffe from fighters to Transport, Paras, and the first jet bombers ops took part. With the lack of the German loss returns and restrictions on info. from WAST this does get difficult but I have the time. Generally when I start on a subject its one that has not had much book coverage ie TG30 supply flights to the Channel Islands/French Fortresses, by the time I have finished someone has bought out a complete book on it,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Nick Beale]

[quote=Brian Bines;146051With the lack of the German loss returns …[/QUOTE]

There are three files at Freiburg with all the fighter and night fighter losses for the December period — admittedly not much help if you don't happen to be going the Black Forest in the near future.

[Brian Bines]

Steve, thanks for the Kew ref. tip

Nick, thanks for that tip the fighter and night fighter losses were the ones I have info. on, it was mainly the bomber, transport, recon. and NSGr units that I was missing.

Regards

Brian Bines

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Hi Brian
below are the NSGr losses that I have including the source for the period indicated.

Hope this helps,

Norbert

16-12-44 NSGr. 1[S1] H No enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D-5 100
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (22)


17-12-44 NSGr. 1[S1] H Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D-5 100
17-12-44 NSGr. 1[S2] H Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D-5 100
17-12-44 NSGr. 2[S3] F Unknown Unknown Ju 87 D 100 MIA
17-12-44 NSGr. 2[S4] F Unknown Unknown Ju 87 D 100 MIA
17-12-44 NSGr. 2[S5] F Enemy mission AA fire Ju 87 D 100
17-12-44 NSGr. 2[S6] F Enemy mission AA fire Ju 87 D 100
17-12-44 NSGr. 2[S7] F Enemy mission MG fire, enemy not observed Ju 87 D 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (20)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (20)
[S3]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (1)
[S4]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (1)
[S5]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (2)
[S6]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (2)
[S7]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (7)

18-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] F Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D 100
18-12-44 NSGr. 2[S2] F Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (20)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 22-12-44 (21)

19-12-44 NSGr. 5 F Enemy mission Without enemy action 100

21-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] F Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 05-01-45 (21)

22-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] F Unknown Unknown Ju 87 D 100 MIA
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 04-01-45 (1)
22-12-44 2./NSGr. 9[S1] F NW Bologna Nightfighter Ju 87 D-5 130532 E8+FK 100 Obfhr. Kolster Hans F KIA
Gefr. Leumann Gustav Bf KIA
22-12-44 2./NSGr. 9[S2] F N Cremona Nightfighter, 2130 hrs. Ju 87 D-5 140750 E8+JK 100 Fhj. Ofw. Heiland Artur F WIA
Uffz. Ballok Artur Bf WIA
22-12-44 2./NSGr. 9[S3] F Lugo Nightfighter Ju 87 D-5 140747 E8+KK 100 Fw. Gerstenberger Edgar F KIA
Flg. Mechlinski Hans Bf MIA
22-12-44 3./NSGr. 9[S4] F S Villafranca Emergnecy landing, MG fire, Ju 87 D-5 131434 E8+BL 10-60 Ofw. Schinck Herbert F WIA
enemy not observed, 1652 hrs.
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 26-12-44 (1), Nick Beale
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 26-12-44 (20), Nick Beale
[S3]RL 2 III / 858 16-12-44 (20), Nick Beale
[S4]RL 2 III / 858 26-12-44 (7), Nick Beale

23-12-44 NSGr. 11 (Estnisch[S1] ) F Unknown Unknown 100 MIA
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 12-01-45 (1)
23-12-44 NSGr. 4[S1] F Enemy mission Without enemy action 100
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 26-12-44 (20)
23-12-44 1./NSGr. 1[S1] H Breitscheid Without enemy action Ju 87 D-5 142081 100 Obgefr. Weinberger Hans
1 Gorund crew KIA
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 28-12-44 (22)

24-12-44 NSGr. 1[S1] F Enemy mission AA fire Ju 87 D-5 100
24-12-44 NSGr. 1[S2] F Enemy mission AA fire Ju 87 D-5 10-60
24-12-44 NSGr. 1[S3] F Enemy mission MG fire, enemy not observed Ju 87 D-5 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 30-12-44 (2)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 30-12-44 (3)
[S3]RL 2 III / 858 30-12-44 (7)

25-12-44 NSGr. 5[S1] F Unknown Unknown 100 MIA
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 09-01-45 (1)
25-12-44 NSGr. 20[S1] F Own territory Bombing raid Fw 190? 10-60
25-12-44 NSGr. 20[S2] F Own territory Bombing raid Fw 190? 10-60
25-12-44 NSGr. 20[S3] F Own territory Bombing raid Fw 190? 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 28-12-44 (11)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 28-12-44 (11)
[S3]RL 2 III / 858 28-12-44 (11)
25-12-44 NSGr. 9[S1] F Villafranca Damaged during taxi Ju 87 D 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 31-12-44 (21), Nick Beale

26-12-44 NSGr. 7[S1] F Enemy mission MG fire, enemy observed 100
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 30-12-44 (4)
26-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] F Venray Unknown Ju 87 D 100 MIA
26-12-44 NSGr. 2[S2] F Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D 100
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 01-01-45 (1) NL losses
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 30-12-44 (20)

27-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] F Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D 10-60
27-12-44 3./NSGr. 20[S2] F Bönninghardt Accident during takeoff Fw 190 10-60 F UNH
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 01-01-45 (21)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 01-01-45 (21) Chris Goss

28-12-44 3./NSGr. 5[S1] correctionH Szimo NW Komaron Without enemy action Go 145 100 Fw. Stelzer Johannes
28-12-44 NSGr. 5[S2] H No enemy mission Without enemy action 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 04-01-45 (22)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 04-01-45 (23)

28-12-44 3./NSGr. 4[S1] H AF Ujazd Crash landing, tire damage Ju 87 D-3 2866 25 Er
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 30-01-45 (23)
28-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] H No enemy mission Without enemy action Ar 66C? 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 07-01-45 (23)
29-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] [S2] F Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D 10-60
[S1]04-01-45 (21)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 04-01-45 (21)

29-12-44 NSGr. 10[S1] [S2] F Eenmy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 100
29-12-44 NSGr. 10[S3] [S4] H No enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 10-60
[S1]13-01-45 (20)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 13-01-45 (20)
[S3]04-01-45 (23)
[S4]RL 2 III / 858 04-01-45 (23)

30-12-44 NSGr. 5[S1] F Own territory Infantry fire 100
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 04-01-45 (14)
30-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] F Own territory Bombing raid Ju 87 D 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 05-01-45 (11)

31-12-44 NSGr. 5[S1] F Enemy mission Without enemy action 10-60
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 09-01-45 (21)
31-12-44 NSGr. 2[S1] F Unknown Unknown Ju 87 D 100 MIA
31-12-44 NSGr. 2[S2] F Enemy mission Without enemy action Ju 87 D 100
31-12-44 3./NSGr. 2 correction Ju 87 D-5 131197
31-12-44 2./NSGr. 20[S3] F Near Lüttich Flak hits Fw 190 F-8 932870 10 Fhr. Maaß Günter F WIA
31-12-44 3./NSGr. 20[S4] F Monschau Shot down by Falk during Attack on Lüttich/Maastrich bailed out Fw 190 588232 100 Fhj.Fw. Lang F UNH
[S1]RL 2 III / 858 02-01-45 (1)
[S2]RL 2 III / 858 09-01-45 (21)
[S3]Chris Goss
[S4]RL 2 III / 858 02-01-45 (1) Chris Goss