Me 109 K-4 Unit? Schwerin Jüterbog Damm --> Ofw Heinz Rühlmann

[Roger Gaemperle]

Hi Andy,

I don't think that he was an instructor as he flew always alone and during conversion first the Ar 96 and then the Bf 109 F/G and finally the K. The Fw 189 had first the code H1, then 5H, then N5. I couldn't find N5 in a LW code list. Perhaps that would help to identify another unit.

First flight with a H1 aircraft was on 4.3.41. First combat mission on 28.6.41.

Regards,
Roger

[Pawel Burchard]

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle

The Fw 189 had first the code H1, then 5H, then N5. I couldn't find N5 in a LW code list. Perhaps that would help to identify another unit.

5H code could point to 2./NAGr. 16 (5H+_K), 1943 within NAGr. 6

and according to www.ww2.dk :
N5 - Erg.Aufkl.Gruppe Döberitz, Erg.Nahaufkl.Gr. Bromberg (1942)

Kind regards,
Pawel

[Andy Fletcher]

Hi Roger,

Thanks again. If he did flew with 2/NAGr.16 after 5(H)/12 that would make sense as this unit continued to fly the FW189 until late in the war.

Together with the info provided by Pawel and John it is possible that Rühlmann flew with the following units, 5(H)/12, 2/NAGr.16, Erg.NAGr., II/AG103 and finally 2/NAGr.2

On what date do the codes switch from 5H to N5

Best Regards

Andy Fletcher

[Eric Larger]

Reconnaissance unit does not mean taking photograph

example NAG 15 in Liberec at the end of the war , there were Bf 109 K-4 , bf 109 G-10 either reco and non reco variant, and Bf 109 G-14 and Bf 109 G-8

It was the same with french unit Gr33 , the spitfire often operated by pair soöe spitfire were not converted to recco role

It was tactical recco , low altitude

eric

[Roger Gaemperle]

Eric,

How do you mean that? The made visual recce and reported what they saw and flew fighter aircraft as protection?

Regards,
Roger

Andy,

First flight with a N5 code was on 2.11.43 from Bromberg. That would fit to Pawel's info Erg.Nahaufkl.Gr. Bromberg (1942).

Best regards,
Roger

[Andy Fletcher]

Thanks again Roger, much appreciated.

Best Regards

Andy Fletcher

[Eric Larger]

I would say that tactical reconnaissance does not mean always taking photos , so some mossions can be made by normal fighters . There are examplkes in JG 300 vol II book og J. Y Lorant , some recconnaissance missions were made by this unit to see where was the battle front .

in french unit one fighter was taking photos or doing its mission portected by the second one

Eric

[Parabellum]

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle

First flight with a N5 code was on 2.11.43 from Bromberg. That would fit to Pawel's info Erg.Nahaufkl.Gr. Bromberg (1942).
Roger

From november 1942 onward, the name of that reco-unit shortened and became "NAGr.Bromberg".
Apparently, no more change till end of war.
Some Me109Gs are known to have been flown by NAGr.Bromberg.
So,why not Me109s of the K type?

[DaveWest99]

Hi Roger,

I'm researching the Hs123 at the moment. Could you possibly let me have the deatils of Ofw Rühlmann's Hs123 flights?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give,

Dave West

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle

Eric,

How do you mean that? They made visual recce and reported what they saw and flew fighter aircraft as protection?

Yes they did, for example this from Ultra message BT 9693

Fl.Div. 15 on 5th [April 1945] stated that 1./NAG 1 ready for ops from 6th with 7 Me 262 recce aircraft in Zerbst. Recce in depth as far as area Kornbach-Giessen-Frankfurt possible only with Me 262. Proposed that a recce Rotte be composed of one recce Me 262 and one fighter Me 262.

Reasons: (a) Me 262 recce aircraft unarmed; (b) attack on Allied fighter and recce aircraft would cause Allies extreme uneasiness and uncertainty; (c) thus with luck some respite might be obtained for using orthodox recce aircraft. Accordingly allocation of 3 or 4 Me 262 requested and 1 Me 262 in addition to assure continuity of operations.

Comment: NAG 1 transferred to Zerbst on 2nd (see BT 9408)