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Old 24th August 2010, 16:15
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FW-190s claimed by 341 Sqn, 30/12/43?

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I'm after some info on four FW-190s attacked by Spitfires of 341 Sqn on December 30th, 1943. In an action at about 15.00 hours at location 49º04'N, 06º35'W (which works out as about 100 miles NW of Brest, in the Celtic Sea), they claimed two FW-190s destroyed, and two damaged.

After a bit of online searching, I've come across some information that the FW-190s belonged to 1./S.A.Gr. 128 (Maritime Reconnaissance Group 128), base at Brest.

So, is there any Luftwaffe record of four aircraft lost or damaged on this date and in this location? And if there is, does it mention the actual planes involved? They'd be FW-190A-3 or A-5 models, or perhaps FW-190G-2 or G-3 versions.

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Old 24th August 2010, 19:10
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Re: FW-190s claimed by 341 Sqn, 30/12/43?

Hi,

is this the online information you have already seen?

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Appendix I - Loss List
Date Unit Type W.Nr Pilot Cause / Remarks Location % F/H
06.06.43 5./B.F.Gr. 196 FW 190 A-5/U8 0150 888 ? Combat, to repair facility 08.07.43 Brest 70 F
14.07.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5/U8 840 055 - Bombing raid Fl.Pl. Le Bourget 100 F
11.08.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5/U8 0150 891 Uffz. Friedhelm Dorf + Engine failure, to repair facility 01.09.43 Fl.Pl. Brest-Süd 100 H
15.08.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5/U8 181 523 Ofw. George Sievert + Shot down by 266 Sqdn Typhoons near Landerneau 100 F
15.08.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5/U8 840 127 Ofw. Hans Gryz + Shot down by 266 Sqdn Typhoons Ploudaniel 100 F
19.08.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5/U8 181 521 ? Engine failure, crash-landing, to repair facility 16.09.43 Brest 40 H
13.09.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5 218 (?) Uffz. Herbert Schöpel + Engine failure, crash-landing Fl. Pl. Brest-Süd 100 H
16.09.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5 410 218 (?) Oblt. Heinz Wurm + Shot down by B-17s near Brest 100 F
23.09.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5 0150 1466 ? Cannon exploded ? 10 F
08.10.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 A-5 3564 - Bombing raid Fl.Pl. Brest-Süd 30 F
08.10.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 G-2 181 524 - Bombing raid, to repair facility 08.11.43 Fl.Pl. Brest-Süd 40 F
15.10.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 G-2 840 057 Ofw. Helmut Haase + Shot down by 257 Sqdn Typhoons Tal-ar-Groas 100 F
02.12.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 G-3 16037 (?) ? Landing accident ? 10 ?
30.12.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 G-3 160 407 ? Shot down at 15:08 by 341 Sqdn Spitfires Pl.Qu. 15 West S/8055 35 F
31.12.43 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 G-3 ? Lt. Karl Albers + Take-off accident at 11:20 Fl.Pl. Brest-Süd 100 F
06.01.44 1./S.A.Gr. 128 FW 190 G-3 160 819 Lt. Erich Stain M Shot down by 228 Sqdn Sunderland 190 km W. Brest 100 F
12.02.44 10./Z.G. 1 FW 190 ? Lt. Herbert Jarmer + Shot down by anti-aircraft fire 8 km N. Cap du Raz 100 F
14.02.44 10./Z.G. 1 FW 190 ? Lt. Heinz Bichler M Crashed in sea 2 km S. Morgat 100 H
20.04.44 ? ? ? Ofw. Friedrich Jost + ? ? ? ?
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Re: FW-190s claimed by 341 Sqn, 30/12/43?

Bruce

Thanks for that info.

No, I hadn't seen the specifics, just the combat report from 341 Squadron. That confirms one of them was an Fw-190G-3 so that's very useful indeed. I guess the other three made it home as damaged?

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Re: FW-190s claimed by 341 Sqn, 30/12/43?

I have Wk Nr 160407 suffering 35% damage in the action and no others damaged?
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Re: FW-190s claimed by 341 Sqn, 30/12/43?

Hi guys

Whose AA fire shot down Ltn Jarmer on 12/2/44?

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Re: FW-190s claimed by 341 Sqn, 30/12/43?

Lt Herbert Jarmer was shot down by Flak 8 kms north of Cap du Raz so I German although the loss doesn't specify
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