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Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
Good afternoon,
From a posting on eBay.de: forum.12oclockhigh.net/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=710 The bomber code "HK" and blue and white karoband possibly makes this an Me 262 of 2./KG(J) 54 at Giebelstadt some time in January/February 1945. What is written on the back of this photograph? forum.12oclockhigh.net/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=711 best regards, Jim Last edited by Karoband; 17th September 2020 at 22:05. |
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
I make it "HK - meine Maschine (jetzt zerstört durch Ofhr Wolf)"
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
Thank you, Rudi! It had me stumped. Your quick reply is much appreciated.
Jim |
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
First "new" Me262 photo I have seen in some time. Thank you!
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
My pleasure, Dan.
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
Jim,
A close look shows that it has a medium-size four-quarter blue/white karoband. This is very similar to that seen in the photos of "ge.2" of 3./KG(J) 54 found at Prague. Best, David
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
Good eye, David.
Checking the pictures and profile of "ge.2" found in Brown, et al., Messerschmitt Me 262s of KG(J) and KG units, (2010) pp. 121 -124 the pattern is indeed identical. The large-size four-quarter blue/white karoband on the "ge.3" found at Munich is quite different. Thank you, Jim |
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
Well-spotted, everyone. That tail band is far from obvious, even when you adjust the photo; the HK codes too are barely distinguishable from the surrounding camouflage.
I couldn't see a Wolf or a B3+HK in the KG(J section of the loss list in Siegfried Radtke's KG 54 book. |
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
Hello Nick,
Thank you for working on that photograph. For what it is worth, I found this in deZeng & Stankey's, Luftwaffe Officer career summaries: WOLF, Helmut. 10.08.44, Lt., 2./KG 54 MIA - Ju 88 A-4 (B3+LK) lost to unknown cause over the Seine Estuary during a mine laying sortie. Best regards, Jim |
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Re: Photo of an Me 262 of KG(J) 54 from a recently expired eBay posting
I should add three another points:
5. Only numeric codes are present on KG(J) 6 Me 262s and these are plain without outlines: I. Gruppe: 7. = white; 8. = red; 9. = yellow 6. KG(J) 54’s Me 262s have larger numbers that are outlined: I. Gruppe: 1. = white; 2. = black; 3. = yellow II. Gruppe: red (see below) III. Gruppe: 7. = ?; 8. = ?; 9. = yellow 6. KG(J) 54’s I. and III. Gruppen Me 262s wore different style and colour “Totenkopfwappen”: I. = white; III. = yellow. 7. The handful (4) Me 262s of II. Gruppe's "Ausbildungs-Kommando" were from I. Gruppe and photos of one show it has a I. Gruppe wappen. Their numbers were plain red for the II. Gruppe. More documents and photos are required to better understand these interesting units. Best, David
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