What time was Alfred Budde killed?

[Teresa Maria]

Dear All,
This site http://www.luftwaffe.cz/budde.html says that Alfred Budde was killed in action on 27 December 1944:

On 27 December 1944, Budde was involved in aerial combat with RAF Spitfires over the Schnee Eifel. His Fw 190 A-8 (W.Nr. 171 002) “Black 10” suffered structural failure of the wings and he was killed in the resulting crash.
Do you happen to know (more or less) the exact time?
Thank you very much in advance.

[John Manrho]

Take off was 10.05 from Vörden. You can do the math....:-)

[focusfocus]

Hello

According to a recent source,he was shot down by P-47 (with Oblt Drexler,Lt Baur-Bargehr) around 10h05/12h00 near Hohenleimbasch (Nürburgring)

I don't know much.
michel

[Teresa Maria]

Dear John, Dear Michel,
Thank you very much for your answers.

By the way, which Vörden do you mean: Neuenkirchen-Vörden in Germany, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuenkirchen-V%C3%B6rden, or Vorden in the Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorden?

[John Manrho]

The first one. If you look on google earth some 8 km south you will find the former airfield Vörden. After the war it became a Nike-site and now is a Truppenübungsplatz. You can still see the three runways clearly.

John

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by focusfocus

Hello

According to a recent source,he was shot down by P-47 (with Oblt Drexler,Lt Baur-Bargehr) around 10h05/12h00 near Hohenleimbasch (Nürburgring)

I don't know much.
michel

I, too, read that he was lost in combat with P-47s, though I can't seem to remember where I read it.

In any event, as far as I know there weren't any combats between Spitfires and Fw 190s that day (though I'm happy to be corrected if wrong!).

[Teresa Maria]

Dear John,
Thank you very much for your explanation. I am looking for Vorden on Google Earth and I cannot find the runways: https://earth.google.com/web/search/...EAhxT8mFU8CU8A

[John Manrho]

Try this in Google Maps:
52.445717, 8.079404

[Teresa Maria]

Dear Steve,
Thank you very much for the clarification. It's a pity you don't remember where you read it. :-(

[SteveR]

Found where I read that he was lost in combat with P-47s: John Weal's JG 54 book published by Osprey. No details given, no source listed, so...