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Old 30th April 2021, 20:20
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A new one ..

This one i think related to the loss in the night on 9/10 Oktober ,
Kü.Fl.Gr.706

4 Dead

Merkel
Mingenbach
Pester
Sander
For Mingenbach, here joined the S-K, for a possible death on 5. dec., probably they found the body at that date
Merkel nd Sander ok, but I didn't found Pester, if anyone hv more luck..


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Old 30th April 2021, 21:21
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Re: A new one ..

The pencilled comment says “presumably crashed over the North Sea, the body washed up on the coast between Lycke and Marstrand [?]”. The circumstances were reported by what looks like a police organisation (Ausw. Amt Pol. I Lu. 3779/39, Berlin W. 8) via the RLM and dated 14 December.

I’d guess that Ausw. Amt = Auswertungs Amt (evaluation office) and that Pol. is Polizei rather than anything to do with politics, for example.

Lu. 3779/39 looks like it’s either a case reference or the serial number of a message (the format is similar to that used for Luftwaffe directives for example).
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Re: A new one ..

Hello Rémi,

9 Oct 1939 He 59 WNr. 1996 3./Kü.Fl.Gr. 706 8L+UL 100%
Über See abgestürzt, da Trümmer gesichtet/crashed over sea because of sighted debris.
F (Flugzeugführer) Oblt.z.See Georg Merkel †
B (Beobachter) Oblt Wulf Theodor Sander †
HB (Hilfsbeobachter) Fw Werner Mingenbach †
Bw (Bordwart) Uffz Pester †

Sources:
GQM loss return 11 Oct 1939
database www.luftwaffe-zur-see.de

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Re: A new one ..

Only now waiting for the S-K of Pester, if really pester is the right name .
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Re: A new one ..

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I’d guess that Ausw. Amt = Auswertungs Amt (evaluation office) and that Pol. is Polizei rather than anything to do with politics, for example.

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My guess:
Ausw. Amt = Auswärtiges Amt = Foreign office (the body washed up in the Netherlands, so it is a consular/ embassy affair)
Pol I Lu = Polizei Inspection der Luftwaffe (Police force/ precinct of the Luftwaffe) in Berlin W.8
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Re: A new one ..

Both Lycke and Marstrand are small communities on the Swedish west coast.
Marstrand is a small Island while Lycke is just inside on the mainland.

Feels likely the body thus ended up somewhere between these two places.

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Re: A new one ..

According to Bo Widfeldt in "The Luftwaffe in Sweden 1939-1945" the body of Fw Werner Mingenbach was washed ashore on the Swedish island of Langön on 1.December 1939 and buried at Lycke on 6. December. He was identified as a member of Küstenmehrzweckestaffel 3./706 at Hörnum. This unit was in fact stationed at List on Sylt.

At midnight the 25 October 1939 the following re-numbering of the seaplanes units took place:

Stab Küstenfliegergruppe 706 became Stab Küstenfliegergruppe 906
Küstenaufklärungsstaffel 1./706 became Küstenfliegerstaffel 1./906
Küstenaufklärungsttaffel 2./606 became Küstenfliegerstaffel 2./906
Küstenmehrzweckestaffel 3./706 became Küstenfliegerstaffel 3./906.

I have a question about the unit code of 8L+UL for this He 59D W.Nr. 1996 of Kü.MZ-Staffel 3./706. I have the unit code 8L+ linked to Küstenfliegergruppe 606 and not 706. The +UL is correct, but I have very little information on the Gruppe 706 unit code prior to 25 October 1939.
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Re: A new one ..

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My guess:
Ausw. Amt = Auswärtiges Amt = Foreign office (the body washed up in the Netherlands, so it is a consular/ embassy affair)
Pol I Lu = Polizei Inspection der Luftwaffe (Police force/ precinct of the Luftwaffe) in Berlin W.8
That's much better than my guess, thanks!
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According to Bo Widfeldt in "The Luftwaffe in Sweden 1939-1945" the body of Fw Werner Mingenbach was washed ashore on the Swedish island of Langön on 1.December 1939 and buried at Lycke on 6. December.
As far as I can see there is nothing called either Langön or Långön anywhere near where he was found. It may have been (and possibly still is) some smaller type of islet that simply only has a local name given by the fisher families. Whatever, I don't have a map available showing such detailed names.

In a later work, Bo changed the place where Mingenbach was found to Lycke and the date to Dec 5th. His original burial was held on the 6th as stated.
For those interested in graves, Mingenbach's remains were transferred in 1966 to Kviberg in Göteborg

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