Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 5th May 2021, 07:22
Edward L. Hsiao Edward L. Hsiao is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 491
Edward L. Hsiao is on a distinguished road
Re: German Air gunner Kills

It' s been a while since those imputs had become known to this interesting topic about German Air gunner kills. How about the gunners aboard Fw-200,Bv-138,and Do-24s? They must have gotten kills as well?

Edward L. Hsiao
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 5th May 2021, 08:27
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is online now
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,225
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: German Air gunner Kills

Although a few Condors shot down aircraft, the kill appears to have never been credited to the gunner but the aircraft commander. During my research into the Do17, I don’t remember any named gunner being credited with kills. Finishing off my Do 217 book, I have come across a few gunner claims details of which are in the text but again it’s incomplete, especially when the bomber was shot down in the combat
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 6th May 2021, 08:14
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1,854
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: German Air gunner Kills

Good morning dear Chris Goss,

Condors shot down aircraft ?! Can you name an aircraft commander who was credited with a kill ?
I've found your Do 217 book in the German amazon
https://www.amazon.de/Dornier-Units-...0281517&sr=8-3
and will order mine in September.

Have a nice Thursday,

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 6th May 2021, 14:45
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is online now
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,225
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: German Air gunner Kills

Michael: My book on the Fw 200 has 4.5 pages of details of encounters with Allied aircraft and for example, on 17 Jul 41, gunners from the Fw 200 commanded by Oblt Rudolf Heindl shot down Whitley Z6635/Q of 502 Sqn.
As to Do 217, the Osprey book is out in September but the Crecy book will be next year and is 80,000 words having finished the text yesterday
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 6th May 2021, 19:48
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1,854
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: German Air gunner Kills

Hello Chris,

cool, thanks for Mr Heindl.
But what is a Crecy book ?
Have a nice evening,

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 6th May 2021, 20:15
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 5,794
Nick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura about
Re: German Air gunner Kills

Crècy is a publishing company.
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 7th May 2021, 08:45
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1,854
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: German Air gunner Kills

I've found two Condor books by Chris Goss at the German amazon:
https://www.amazon.de/Focke-Wulf-Fw2...0369696&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.de/Condor-Units-W...0369787&sr=8-2
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 7th May 2021, 09:45
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is online now
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,225
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: German Air gunner Kills

First is Crecy (much bigger book), 2nd Osprey
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 7th May 2021, 21:01
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1,854
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: German Air gunner Kills

I'll try to find out if they can be delivered to Switzerland, where I live.
My favourite Condor pilot is Johann Peter Baur.
Did you know that he is the top-scoring pilot of the Hannover CL.IIIa ?
Cheers,
Michael
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 4th June 2021, 17:18
James A Pratt III James A Pratt III is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 541
James A Pratt III is on a distinguished road
Re: German Air gunner Kills

3 mar 1940 was a good day for a Do-17 gunner of 1(F)/22. First of all the aircraft was attacked by Adj Chef Gras, Adj De Montgolfer and Sgt Chef Janebn of GC II/5 which claimed a probable. Then it was attacked by 3 Hurricanes of the Belgian Air Force 2/I/2 h26 flown by S/Lt x Henrard shot down KIA, H33 Sgt E Lieutenant FTL damaged and H35 Sgt Lelieve damaged. In return the Do-17 suffered only 5% damage!
Also this day the Belgian AF had
1/I/1 Foxs O.12 and O.30 lost in a collision 1 KIFA and 1 OK. 2/I/2 had Hurricane H39 wrecked WIC. 7/III/3 Fox O.181 wreck 1 KIC!
see "Fledging Eagles and the Battle of France Then and Now
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Spitfire vs 109 edwest Books and Magazines 22 15th December 2013 23:20
"The Collapse of the German War Economy, 1944-1945: Allied Air Power and the German National Railway", by Alfred C. Mierzejewski Richard T. Eger Books and Magazines 0 20th October 2013 03:19
NEW BOOK - LUFTWAFFE & THE WAR AT SEA DavidIsby Books and Magazines 27 29th June 2012 00:15
1939-45 airpower and professional historians Grozibou Allied and Soviet Air Forces 32 21st August 2008 23:10
Stuka in Aeroplane II/05. Nice Story and Plenty Errors! Mirek Wawrzynski Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 11 27th January 2005 19:15


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:01.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net