Operational detachments of II./SG 151 in 1945

[Schlageter]

Hello all,

after some very interesting earlier discussions concerning I./SG 151 with very helpful anwers I would like to ask some questions about II./SG 151 this time.

While II./SG 151 seems to have flown some missions at the Oder front in February 1945, the Gruppe was withdrawn to Ingolstadt-Manching to conduct the Panzerblitz training for all ground-attack pilots (source: Carlsen/Meyer's Die Flugzeugführer-Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe).

But according to other sources (Holm's website and Stankey/de Zeng's Dive Bomber and Ground Attack Units of the Luftwaffe) the 5./SG 151 and 6./SG 151 remained as operational detachments at the Eastern front until their disbandment in April 1945, leaving only the 4th Staffel in the training role!

• Were 5./SG 151 and 6./SG 151 equipped with Fw 190 Panzerblitz or the ground-attack version?

• Were they independant units or subordinated to another Schlachtgeschwader (5./SG 151 was at least temporary attached to I./SG 151 before the latter transferred to Grove)?

• Are there any aircraft or personnel losses known for the period?

• 5./SG 151 was based at Fürstenwalde but from which airfield did 6./SG 151 operate (apparently in the Luftflotte 6 area)?

I know these are very tricky questions about a little-researched unit but I appreciate every hint and help on this subject!

Thank you all very much in advance!

Best regards

Michael

[Adam]

7.2.45: Fw 190F-8 WNr 932560 100% crashed near Spremberg. Fw Siegfried Huber KIA
11.2.45: Fw 190F-8 WNr 593246 100% shot down in unknown area, Uffz Stieglitz MIA
11.2.45: Fw 190F-8 WNr 933094 100% crash landing, location not noted
14.2.45: Fw 190F-8 WNr 588053 100% shot down in unknown area, Uffz Prüfer MIA
14.2.45: Fw 190F-8 WNr 588683 100% shot down in unknown area, Gr.Kom, Hptm Steinwachs MIA
25.3.45: Fw 190F-8 WNr 932270 75% crashed at Finsterwalde due to technical problems, Ofw Plupper WIA
12.3.45: Fw 190F-8 WNr 586975 100% crashed near Nieder-Ullersdorf, Ob.Gfr Werner Otto KIA

All from II. Gruppe (sorry no Staffel known) and apparently all from Luftflotte 10

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Hi,
Ofw Plupper crashed on 25.2.45 not 25.3.45.

Regards,
Norbert

[Adam]

Indeed...sorry was my typo

[Schlageter]

Thank you all very much fpr your answers!

from the time and location of the first and last two crashes it seems that the operational detachments of II./SG 151 flew sorties in the area of southern Brandenburg, Saxony and Lower Silesia.

Best

Michael

[Schlageter]

In Manfred Griehl's "Luftwaffe 45 - Letzte Flüge und Projekte" it is stated that 5./SG 151 was subordinated to Stab/SG 1.

Best

Michael

[Kaczmarek]

According to some documents.
Oberkommando der Luftwaffe, General der Schlachtflieger from 5th April 1945. Reorganisation of S.G. 151.

North Germany
Geschwaderstab S.G. 151
I./S.G. 151 with
1. Staffel
2. Staffel
12. Staffel with Pz.Blitz-Ausb.Kdo. 12./S.G. 151
15./S.G. 151 with subordinated 14./S.G. 151

South Germany
II./S.G. 151 with
4. Staffel
5. Staffel
10. Staffel and
11. Staffel.

With an immediate effect the following reorganisation of Schlachtgeschw. 151 becomes effective. From 8th April 1945.

Stab Schlachtgeschwader 151 with
Stab I./S.G. 151 with Stabskomp. and 1., 2., 12. Staffel
Stab II./S.G. 151 with Stabskomp. and 3. - 6. Staffel
15. und 14./S.G. 151
Umrüstkdo (S)

Disbanded:
Stab III./S.G. 151 with Stabskomp. and 7. - 9. Staffel
Stab IV./S.G. 151
Formed for 3 months:
Pz.Blitz-Ausbildungskommando
Erg.Kommando Bü 181

Subordination:
12. Staffel under I./S.G. 151
3. Staffel under II./S.G. 151
14. Staffel under 15./S.G. 151
Pz.Blitz Ausb.Kdo. under 12./S.G. 151
Erg.Kdo. Bü 181 under 15./S.G. 151
Umrüstkdo. (S) under Stab S.G. 151

Hope this helps.
Kaczmarek

[Karsten]

Hello,
the Crash 12.03.1945 was near Nieder-Ollersdorf/ Dolní Oldřiš in CZ

Rüdiger

[O.Menu]

Hi Kaczmarek,

Was there a typo here: "Stab II./S.G. 151 with Stabskomp. and 3. - 6. Staffel"
since nothing is said about 4. 5. 10. and 11./SG151 previously under II./SG151 command...

Thanks, Olivier

PS: does 3.-6. mean 3., 4., 5., 6. ? I suppose yes but what about 10 and 11 ? disbanded ?