Two Heinkel 111 J losses (with the same WNr 5050)

[Stig Jarlevik]

Yes Mikael

I am pretty convinced both aircraft reported as He 111 J were just that.

Cheers
Stig

[Jim P.]

Gonna throw in something of a wrench here. Are any of you guys familiar with another set of loss reports, which I've been told are referred to as the "Bones reports"? I have a few pages and they're very hard to figure out. They list losses by month it seems with minimal detail - aircraft type, SKZ/code, reason for loss, casualties (as numbers) and not much else. No specific dates within the month. The earliest page I have is from Jan-40 (p.100), the latest, Nov-40 (p.246). Does anyone have a complete set of these, and if so, are there any references to He 111J aircraft lost at the end of May-40 - first of Jun-40?

Other than that, got nothing. The loss reports are replete with transcription errors - we're talking clerks manually typing what's presented to them. Did errors occur from the source info or the typists? (And if my typing is anything to go by, we're danged lucky they seem to be as accurate as they are!!)

[Stig Jarlevik]

Jim

Sorry, cannot help you there.
We all have to live with typists errors. Hopefully those back then were a bit more trained on their 'pet' machines.

Back in the early 70's when I started to work as an apprentice I was given the worst typewriter anyone could imagine. The number of faults were numerous mostly due to the fact I always felt I needed a hammer to make the darn thing work...

Cheers
Stig

[Merlin]

The "bones list" has for May 1940:
He111 DD+BT, flown against a hill, aircraft destroyed, four crew members dead.

There is nothing in the June 1940 list because the crew returned unharmed.

[edNorth]

Originally Posted by Jim P.

Gonna throw in something of a wrench here. Are any of you guys familiar with another set of loss reports, which I've been told are referred to as the "Bones reports"? I have a few pages and they're very hard to figure out. They list losses by month it seems with minimal detail - aircraft type, SKZ/code, reason for loss, casualties (as numbers) and not much else. No specific dates within the month. The earliest page I have is from Jan-40 (p.100), the latest, Nov-40 (p.246). Does anyone have a complete set of these, and if so, are there any references to He 111J aircraft lost at the end of May-40 - first of Jun-40?

Other than that, got nothing. The loss reports are replete with transcription errors - we're talking clerks manually typing what's presented to them. Did errors occur from the source info or the typists? (And if my typing is anything to go by, we're danged lucky they seem to be as accurate as they are!!)

DVL accident lists compiled from accident medical records, dates from January 1936 to December 1942 (Part of NASM T2 documents on 35mm film)
Have send regular email on your address. Only do not know if that one is current. Free. Just 70 MB

[ju55dk]

Hi Ed.

Is the DVL list like this? I only have 3 pages.

Junker

[edNorth]

Yes. You are welcome get the set, I only need regular email (via PM only ) and can send over ASAP. These are very interesing in parts. -Ed

[ju55dk]

Hi Ed.

Thank's a lot. I have send a PM.

Jörn

[ju55dk]

The KüFlGr loss was 2. Staffel not 1.

Attached from KTB Gen. d. Lw. b. ObdM. GQM. aircraft He 111 J with 1. 2. and 3. Staffel, beginning april 1940.

Junker

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Jörn

A very interesting piece of paper.
Does it have a real date, and also a continuation? I would also be interested in finding out the whereabouts of the other WNr given.

Cheers
Stig