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Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
Hi guys
This is a bit vague, but I have a note that a Mosquito pilot claimed two Bf109s as they were taking off from an airfield near Berlin on the night of 16-17 January 1945. The Mosquito was also shot down by flak, pilot badly wounded and POW Any ideas as to losses/unit? Cheers Brian |
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
Hi Brian:
The Mossie was on the way back from Berlin, but the attack actually took place at Fassberg. IIRC, the pilot believed he'd strafed a 109 at the taxi point, and another which had just taken off. His captors told him he'd destroyed these two, plus one which spun into the ground attempting to avoid him. Going largely from memory here - I think there's an account in "Confounding the Reich" by Martin Bowman. |
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
Hi.
Seen same 'request' some time ago but no info on the 109's. someone suggested that it was from a test school. The Mossie: Sqn.23 Mosquito VI,YP-C RS507, Flt. T. Smith and A.C. Cockayne. Intruder Stendal. On the return they attacked Fassberg Airfield. Crash landed 3km SW Hermannsberg at 2130h. Kind regards Nick |
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
Thanks guys
The 23 Squadron aircraft details confirm the information I have. Most interesting. Cheers Brian |
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
hi brian,
saw the thread-the pilot was my beloved father-who died last year 61 years after the event-he became a macindoe guinea pig, mum being one of the theatre sisters to macindoe. It was the last time he flew-and i only got the full story 3 weeks before he died-he was truly the bravest man I ever met. The germans did indeed credit him with 3-but the british one damaged and one destroyed, and didnt give him the third at all. ironically that would have made him an ace i think-butthats history as they say. If you have a mail address I can send you a couple of winzip files to look at-i know the crash site but it is about 6 square kilometres, at fassberg, or south, south west of fassberg. |
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
I have the claim in my database, without a confirmation source. Just the combat report, in Air 50/11-108&109. I also have the aircraft as Mosquito VI RS596, which is either from the combat report or the ORB.
Hooter: Could you give me your father's full name, and his service number? All I have is F/Lt T A Smith. I would like to update my database. And by any chance do you have the full name for his observer, F/O A C Cockayne? Also, this is the only victory claim I have for T A Smith in my database. Do you have any details of his other claims; where, when, unit, etc? Frank.
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
Hi Frank,
better late than never! here are the log book entries for my father-F/L T A Smith. Diary. 23 Squadron. Aug. 31 PZ172 Fresher Ops: Zuider Zee Round trip: Hoorne-Harderwjick-Urk- Hoorne-LF& SL from Hoorne Sept. 1 PZ315 Strafe patrol: Weser Elbe canal, Hannover-Magdeburg Rly, Schoningen-Hildesheim: Barges hit at Hannover, Braunschweig Sept.11 HR215 Patrol: Guissen & Lippe airfields, no activity. Strikes on goods trucks at Koblenz, Limburg, Guissen yards Sept.12 PZ187 Patrol: Stuttgart/Ectodingen A/F activity at Boblingen. Strikes on goods trucks at Kaisers Lautern yard Sept.14 PZ172 Daylight Escort at 20000ft.-fortress on Dutch coast. Sept.19 PZ334 Patrol: Achmer A/F No activity retired early. Bad visibility & no R/T Sept.26 HR215 Patrol: Kitzingen A/F Turned back at Moselle. No pinpoints rad fog Sept.28 PZ187 Patrol: Handorf A/F no activity. Low stratus. Spoof raid to Terschelling, 22000ft. Sept.29 PZ187 Patrol: Kolitzheim & Gerolshofen A/F’s no activity Oct.2 PZ187 Patrol: Hagenow A/F no activity. Train hit SW of Hagenow, 3 trains, and 1 engine Hagenow junction. Train & engine hit S of Luneburg Oct.15 HR217 Patrol: Sylt A/F. no activity. Oct.19 HR217 Patrol: Biblis A/F. no activity 2x500Ib. Bombs on A/F Oct.26 HR217 Patrol: Gutersloh A/F No activity. Attacked motor convoy at Delde on autobahn, 8 vehicles, 1 left burning Oct.29 HR217 Patrol Stade A/F no activity 23 Squadron Photograph- ‘Oct. 44’ picture. Oct.30 Escape photographs taken-moustaches shaved off-except Sammy’s Oct.31 PZ183 NFT and film unit co-op Oct.31 PZ183 Patrol: Munich/Schleisheim A/F no activity 3 trains damaged: Aalen, Heilbrohn, Worms Nov.2 HR215 Patrol: Fritzlar A/F no activity tarmac strafed strikes on hangar Nov.4 HR217 Recalled from ops: struck birds taking off. Nov.6 HR215 Patrol: Ardorf, Marx, and Varel; diverted to Woodbridge Ardorf active, Marx lit, Varel inactive: no luck Bud Badley does ‘belly-landing’ at Woodbridge. Nov 6 Returned to Snoring with Bud Badley (from Woodbridge) Nov.18 HR217 Patrol: Plantlunne A/F no activity Nov.21 PZ231 Patrol: Gutersloh A/F; active one Hun lit up by E.S.N’s No contacts Nov.25 PZ231 Patrol: Stuttgart/Echterdingen A/F s unident T.E. A/C damaged on G.R. Hailfingen L/G 1 Ju88 damaged on GR. + 2 hangars strafed at Echterdingen A/F Loco & MT hit at Plochingen. Trains hit N. Stuttgart & N. of Karlsruhe Nov.27 PZ315 Patrol: Ober-Olm A/F no activity low cloud Nov.28 PZ315 Spoof raid, 20,000ft.2x500Ib on Bonn (on Gee) Dec.3 PZ410 A.S.R. off Egmond coast for W/C Murphy Dec.5 PZ410 Patrol: Zellhousen A/F, Badenhousen L/G no activity 2 x 500Ib M.C. on Frankfurt/Rhein-Main A/F Dec.22 RS517 ASH Patrol: Echterdingen A/F strafed tarmac and buildings + Halfingen L/G strafed train at Heilbronn Hit pyrotechnic store: fireworks still visible 30 miles away Dec.23 RS517 ASH Patrol: Saschenheim A/F: not lit very foggy. Just cleared balloons at Germersheim Dec.27 RS507 ASH Patrol: Halfingen L/G & Stuttgart/Echterdingen A/F s no activity: thick haze: generator failure Jan.13 YPA Operational Intruder: A/F not lit chased own ‘shadow’ on ASH for 15 mins. Jan.14 YPM Opn: intruder Gutersloh A/F, A/F lit hangars and tarmac strafed: 1 U/E A/C destroyed Jan.16 YPC Opn: intruder, Stendal A/F, not yet returned The 'ops' totals for each month are Aug 2.00 Sept 2.10 + 29.30 Oct 25.50 Nov 28.35 Dec 2.45 + 19.05 Jan 8.30 + 4 It would appear that 2.10, searching for sticky is also included in his op total-is that 30-31 I know much more than when I last posted but seem to be no nearer finding out who, or from what unit the german pilots were from. I did email brian-but since then the computer went bang-terminally-so i guess i have kinda had to start again in certain areas. I did however receive this one peice of paper from NARA, but nothing else-could any members give this another whirl for me to see if they can turn up anything about fassberg on this date. 16/01/45 |
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
An encounter with Bf 109s at night at this date would suggest NJG 11 to me.
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Re: Two Bf109s claimed by Mosquito at night
Does any detailed information exist about NGJ11?
I know fassberg had a couple of comets, and was a technical school-so using 109s makes sense. |
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