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He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
Hello
I'm looking for information about Transportgruppe 30 He 111 loss near Creil /Malassise on the 22nd of August 1944. Regards |
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
On 21st Aug S3+LH crashed on take off from Crail (Creil?) with the crew killed, on the 22nd S3+AH crashlanded Crail following Nightfighter attack three crew wounded. Also on 22nd a He111 of 8/KG53 crash landed at Crail (They were also engaged on supply drops for a while) the crew were reported missing on Ruckmarsch nach Le Bourget,
Regards Brian Bines |
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
It's Creil in France. I think "Crail" is in Scotland!
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
Thanks Nick the NVM's say Crail/Frankr. which I hope is Creil,
Brain |
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
Hello
Many thanks. The good one seems to be 8/KG53 or S3+AH and any further information will be greatly appreciated. Regards |
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
NVM for 8/KG53 shows 'Crail Frankreich 22.8.1044 after crashlanding on Flugplatz Crail, by Ruckmarsch to base at Le Bourget vermisst' Ff Uffz. Franz Lechner, B Ogef. Josef Zielger. Bf Uffz. Walter Hunlich Bs Gef Albert Sames all missing.
For S3+AH ' Flzg He 111 w.n. 701475 Crail/Frankr. 22-8-1944 .Crashed Flugauftrag: Versorgung dch Abwurfbeh. f. eingeschl. Truppe. cause Fighter attack' FF Fw. Manfred Bittner, Bw Fw Heinz Fritsch, Bd Fw Franz Kordys wounded. Following on from a previous thread on Crew abbreviations I assume Bw is Bordwart (Bm), and Bd is Borddienst indicating a Air-gunner who has not had the full training of a Bs. Any correction/information appreciated, Regards Brian Bines |
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
As we found many crews of the 8.KG53 in the Tgr.30, we could assume that 8.KG53 ended up in the Tgr.30
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
Hello
I received some news regarding a member of He 111 shot down on August 22nd 1944 during a supply mission to Bernay via Paris. Ogefr Leo Follmann was killed. His unit in April 1944 had felpostnummer L 52 383 A. Any information? Regards |
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
Uffz Leo Follmann born 18-2-1924 at Vollinghausen Ff of He111 S3+HH killed in crash near Paris on 22-8-44. ErkMark. 2116-4 Flg.Rgt.22 now buried Fort-de- Malmaision France Block5, Reihe 39, Grab 1777.
He111 S3+HH w.n, 701671 other crew B. Ogef. Rudolf Boseckert, Bf Uffz Rolf Uhlig, Bd Ogef. Heinz Grunert, Bw Uffz. Wilhelm Geissner all killed Last edited by Brian Bines; 13th December 2008 at 12:32. |
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Re: He 111 loss 22nd August 1944 France
III./KG 53 acted independently, no as part of TGr. 30.
KTB III./KG 53 Erfolgsmeldung Nr. 3, 20. August 1944 Anzahl: 9 Typ: He 111 Auftrag: Versorgung im Pl.Qu. 09149 Starzeit: 04.20 - 04.45 Uhr Landezeit: 07.05 - 09.45 Uhr Angriffszeit: 05.05 - 06.02 Uhr Angriffshöhe: 200 m Erfolg: Behälter von 8 He 111 lagen in bzw. hart westlich des befohlenen Abwurfsraum. 1 He 111 stürzte nach Start ab. Bomben: 39 Behälter Otto-Kraffstoff (über Ziel geworfen). 5 Behälter Otto-Kraffstoff durch Absturz einer He 111 vernichtete. Abwehr: Starke leichte Flak jedoch wirkungslos Verluste: 1 He 111 A1+DT kurz nach Start abgestürzt (Aufschlagbrand) Besatzung: F Gefr. Stephan schwer verletzt B Ogfr. Dunst tot Bf Ogfr. Tabbert leicht verletzt (Prellungen) Bs Uffz. Obendorf leicht verletzt (Arm gebrochen) Bs Ogfr. Pätsch leicht verletzt (Prellungen) Start am 04.29 Uhr. Erfolgsmeldung Nr. 4, 21. August 1944 Anzahl: 13 Typ: He 111H-16 Auftrag: Versorgungseinsatz - Pl.Qu. 09129 (05 Ost) Startzeit: 03.00 - 03.54 Uhr Landezeit: 05.59 - 08.50 Uhr Angriffszeit: 03.42 - 04.55 Uhr Angriffshöhe: 200 m Erfolg: Auf Grund der schlechten Wetterlage Lage der Behälter sehr verstreut. Ziel war von 3 He 111 nicht auszumachen, die ohne Behälterabwurf zurückkehrten. Bomben: 25 Beh. Kraftstoff, 20 Beh. Munition Abwehr: An der Front starke leichte Flak, für unsere Maschinen jedoch wirkungslos Verluste: 1 He 111 - A1+AT vermisst. Besatzung: Feldw. Muschinski Erfolgsmeldung Nr. 5, 22. August 1944 Anzahl: 17 Typ: He 111 Auftrag: Versorgungseinsatz - Pl.Qu. 00877 (05 Ost) Startzeit: 02.30 - 03.30 Uhr Landezeit: 05.58 - 13.00 Uhr Angriffszeit: 03.38 - 04.05 Uhr Angriffshöhe: 200 m Erfolg: Behälter von 10 He 111 lagen sehr verstreut am Zielraum. 7 Maschinen könnten auf Grund der sehr schlechten Wetterlage Ziel nicht finden un kehrten ohne Bahälterwurf zurück. Bomben: 36 Beh. Kraftstoff, 1 Beh. Öl, 11 Behälter Munition Abwehr: Über Ziel ein fdl. Nachtjäger. Sonst keine Abwehr. Sonstiges: 1 He 111 wegen Motorschaden in Rommily gelandet |
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