Hans Wind

[keith A]

I have Hans Wind making 22 claims between 24 January and 17 July 1943. 3 of these were shared with other pilots making a total of 20.5 victories giving him a total of 35 confirmed. However according to most sources he made claims for only 19 victories in the same period to reach 33.5 confirmed. Can anyone tell me if any of his claims during this period were shared or unconfirmed?

[Juha]

Hello Keith
I counted 18 plus two ½s, so 18 victories plus 2 which were shared with another pilot, altogether 19 in tally.

Juha

[ju55dk]

Beware that in the Luftwaffe you were not allowed shared victories.

Junker

[Juha]

That's true but in FAF we had shared victories, 1/6 or 1/7 was smallest I have seen.

Juha

[keith A]

Hi Juha,

these are the claims I have listed
1. 24.01.43 15½ LeLv 24 BW-393 I-16
2. 02.03.43 16½ LeLv 24 BW-393 I-16
3. 21.03.43 17½ LeLv 24 BW-355 La-5
4. 14.04.43 18½ LeLv 24 BW-367 Spitfire
5. 14.04.43 19½ LeLv 24 BW-367 Spitfire
6. 21.04.43 (20) LeLv 24 BW-393 0.50 Jak-1
7. 21.04.43 21 LeLv 24 BW-393 Jak-1
8. 21.04.43 22 LeLv 24 BW-393 Jak-1
9. 21.04.43 22½ LeLv 24 BW-393 Jak-1 with Sgt Kinnunen
10.04.05.43 23½ LeLv 24 BW-393 I-153
11.04.05.43 24½ LeLv 24 BW-393 Il-2m 7 GShAP-KBF
12.04.05.43 25½ LeLv 24 BW-393 Il-2m 7 GShAP-KBF
13.04.05.43 26½ LeLv 24 BW-393 Il-2m 7 GShAP-KBF
14.09.05.43 27½ LeLv 24 BW-366 LaG-5
15.20.05.43 28½ LeLv 24 BW-393 Jak-7B 13 KIAP-KBF
16.20.05.43 29½ LeLv 24 BW-393 Jak-7B 13 KIAP-KBF
17.20.05.43 30½ LeLv 24 BW-393 LaG-5 4 GvIAP-KBF
18.30.05.43 31½ 3/LeLv 24 BW-393 LaGG-3
19.30.05.43 32 3/LeLv 24 BW-393 ½LaG-5 4 GvIAP-KBF
20.05.06.43 33 3/LeLv 24 BW-366 LaG-5
21.14.07.43 34 3/LeLv 24 BW-366 Pe-2
22.17.07.43 35 3/LeLv 24 BW-393 LaGG-3

Which ones are not on your list? I have 3 shared in this period but don't know who he shared them with apart from Kinnunen.

[Juha]

Hello
on 21.3. there was no FAF claim, see attachment; forget the attachment, my photo was 4Kb over max permitted. Anyway, no FAF claim on that day.
on 21.4. Wind was credited with 2½ only

Juha

[Harri Pihl]

The problem with the FAF victory lists is that there are couple different versions around; after war as example Juutilainen's claims were reduced. But that is a quite complicated issue...

[Juha]

Hello Harri
I know, but I checked both the list which gives date, place, KD number from were one can find the combat report and so on, sometimes time, a/c number and witness added by red pencil, seems to complete with LeLv 24, 34 and 26 at least but lacking at least part of claims made over Maaselän Kangas plus the one which only gives date, sqn, victim and area, but seems to be complete and checked also Suomen Ilmavoimat 1943 and SIH 27. All agreed in this matter.

Juha

[Juha]

Harri
to be more exact I used the lists from T19284/129 file
No 4 Lentojoukkojen henkilökohtainen ilmavoittotilasto vv. 1941 - 1944 and
No 1 Luettelo Lentojoukkojen alasampumista viholliskoneista
after first checking from Suomen Ilmavoimat 1943 and SIH 27.

Juha