Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12th October 2014, 06:13
Alex Smart Alex Smart is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 4,281
Alex Smart is on a distinguished road
Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

Hello,

Can anyone tell me the Unit /Aircraft/ Airmen of the German Dive Bombers which may have claimed the sinking of HMS Fiona on the 18th April 1941 ? The ship was some 50 miles North West of Sidi Barrani, Egypt when the bombing attack was made which resulted in the loss of 54 lives.
Luckily the ship was empty of troops at the time ?

Many thanks
Alex
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12th October 2014, 09:43
AndreasB's Avatar
AndreasB AndreasB is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: London
Posts: 484
AndreasB is on a distinguished road
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

Are you sure they were German? From the below it appears the attacks were carried out jointly by German and Italian Ju 87.

Quote:
Dt. Ju 87 der III./StG.1 und II./StG.2 und ital. Ju 87 der 96. und 236. Sq. versenken [...] am 18.4. nordwestlich von Sidi Barani die bewaffnete Yacht Fiona (2190 BRT).
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/41-04.htm

All the best

Andreas
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 13th October 2014, 01:39
Alex Smart Alex Smart is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 4,281
Alex Smart is on a distinguished road
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

Hello Andreas,
Thanks for the link.
Have I got it right ?
Dt(Detachments ? ) Ju 87 of III / StG.1 and II / StG.2 and Italian... Ju 87 of the 96th and 236th Sq. sink at 18.4. north-west of Sidi Barani, the armed yacht Fiona (2190 BRT).
So both the Luftwaffe and Italian Air Forces were involved in her sinking ?

From what I have been given to understand, 236 Sq had very few aircraft on hand over this period of time, receiving 237 Sq's aircraft to make up to strength. So wondered if they were involved ?

Thanks again
Alex
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 13th October 2014, 06:10
Rasmussen Rasmussen is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lower Saxony, Germany
Posts: 690
Rasmussen is on a distinguished road
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Smart View Post
Dt(Detachments ? )
"Dt." = deutsche
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 31st March 2018, 11:14
Mattesini Mattesini is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 9
Mattesini is on a distinguished road
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

For the German and Italian air operations you will find all the information you are looking for on the activity, number of aircraft, belonging departments, sunken Allied ships, etc., in my book “L’attività aerea italo - tedesca nel Mediterraneo. Il contributo del “X Fliegerkorps", Stato Maggiore dell’Aeronautica Ufficio Storico Gennaio - Maggio 1941", Roma, 1995, 2a edizione 2003 " (The Italian-German aerial activity in the Mediterranean. The contribution of the "X Fliegerkorps (Gennaui - May 1941)), revised and considerably enlarged.

Francesco Mattesini
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 31st March 2018, 12:43
Andrei Demjanko Andrei Demjanko is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 205
Andrei Demjanko is on a distinguished road
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

The unit which sank HMS Fiona was III./St.G. 1

From Italian document

Alle 1045 dieci Ju 87 scortati da 4 Me 110 hanno attaccato gli obiettivi navali di Sollum. Un incrociatori ausiliario fortmemente armato colpito da diverse bombe affonato. Un Blenheim e stato abbattuto [by Ltn. Ferdinand Glanz of 8./ZG 26 at 11.00. His victim was Blenheim IV V5438 of 45 Sqn] Reazione di artiglieria contraerea e di due Hurricane che non hanno pero attaccato.

Junkers Ju 87 Stukageschwader of North Africa and the Mediterranean says twelve [!] Ju 87's of III./St.G. 1 participated, citing Hptm. Mahlke's report:

"11.05 hours warship or armed merchantman of approx. 8000 BRT, probably old coastal monitor, sunk in sea area NE of Sollum. Own losses nil."
__________________
Regards,
Andrei
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 31st March 2018, 13:54
Stig Jarlevik Stig Jarlevik is online now
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,828
Stig Jarlevik will become famous soon enough
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreasB View Post
Are you sure they were German? From the below it appears the attacks were carried out jointly by German and Italian Ju 87.



http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/41-04.htm

All the best

Andreas
96 Sqd is wrong, what is meant is 96 Gruppo, which consisted of two Sqd, 236 and 237. If they were involved or not (see Andrei's answer) is not known by me.

96 Sqd was a Macchi 200 equipped fighter unit at this time.

Cheers
Stig
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 31st March 2018, 17:51
Mattesini Mattesini is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 9
Mattesini is on a distinguished road
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

Fiona (ex Juna), 2190 tons (18 aprile 1941)
Era stata requisita dalla Royal Navy il 31 agosto 1939, alla vigilia della guerra. Il 18 aprile 1941 il Fiona (capitano di fregata Arthur Harold Hidreth Griffiths) svolgeva una missione di vigilanza lungo la costa egiziana, quando venne attaccata da una formazione di dieci aerei tedeschi Ju 87 del 3° Gruppo del 1° Stormo Stuka (III./St.G.1), comandato da capitano Helmut Mahlke, e da quattro Me.110 del 3° Gruppo del 26° Stormo Distruttori (III./ZG.26), il tutto alle dipendenze del Fliegerführer Afrika. Gravemente colpita dalle bombe la Fiona affondò a 50 miglia a nordovest di Sidi el Barrani (per 311°). Tra l’equipaggio vi furono cinquantaquattro morti, inclusi il comandante Griffiths e cinque ufficiali.
Francesco
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 31st March 2018, 21:11
John Beaman John Beaman is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,155
John Beaman is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

English only on this forum unless you are quoting from an original WWII document
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 1st April 2018, 07:30
Mattesini Mattesini is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 9
Mattesini is on a distinguished road
Re: Dive Bomber Attack in the Med 18th April 1941.

I get it. Since I am not very experienced in English, I preferred to write in Italian. I'm sorry ...

Francesco
Infor
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The effectiveness of the Yugoslav Bomber attacks on Hungary 7 April 1941... Mirek Wawrzynski Allied and Soviet Air Forces 9 12th June 2013 22:10
Attack of Sarabuz airfield on 8 April 1942 Laurent Rizzotti Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 2 8th May 2013 20:38
Dive Bomber and Ground Attack Units of the Luftwaffe 1933-45 Volume 2 edwest Books and Magazines 11 12th April 2013 13:38
Article please from - Aircraft Production: The Journal of the Aircraft Manufacturing Industry - April 1941? Observer1940 Allied and Soviet Air Forces 0 29th March 2013 11:02
Night attack on London April 19. 1941 cbe2009 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 11 24th September 2005 10:40


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net