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Old 26th October 2015, 13:34
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Re: Me 410 top ace

Nice Chris

Now we have a Christian name, Johann, to the Treicke as well, which was also the Christian name of Trenke. Looks, after all, like we do have a match!

I fail however to see how anyone can interpret his name into Dormsten

With regard to the handwriting, yes I agree, and (this time I state tongue in cheek) it seems most individuals were studying for a post war career in the medical profession...

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Old 26th October 2015, 13:43
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Trenke still with 6.KG51 i march 1945 as Fw

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Old 26th October 2015, 16:20
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Re: Me 410 top ace

Trenke is on the JV44 list of 27 April 1945.

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Old 1st November 2015, 17:01
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Re: Me 410 top ace

Brütting (1993) lists Johann Trenke as RK-recipient on 05Sep44 being a FjFw in 6./KG51 then.

I'm still intrested if the most probable Me 410 total of Dassow is higher than Trenke's possible 12, because I want to determine the Me 410 top ace.

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Old 1st November 2015, 18:45
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Re: Me 410 top ace

If somebody has a total victory list for Dassow.... then...I would be more than interested....:-))).....although his total is sometimes listed as 22 (Obermaier) I have never seen a list which substantiates this.....

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Old 1st November 2015, 23:20
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Hi guys

All that I have on this ace regarding his victory list are the nine claims with ZG 26 listed by Wood as well as the one Spitfire claimed on 10 April 1943 according to Obermaier. I would presume that the remaining 12 victories were claimed on the Eastern Front assuming that the total he is generally credited with is correct. However, as we have seen since the claims microfilms appeared not always are these totals correct. I was seeing that the 8 October 1943 claim was recorded with Stab/ZG 26 which appears to have been flying the Bf 110 G-2 at the time so his Me 410 total therefore was possibly eight. Any comments or corrections will be appreciated.

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Old 2nd November 2015, 19:23
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Re: Me 410 top ace

The Tratt kill list of Luftwaffe.cz
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/tratt.html
implies that re rather achieved at least 10 kills in the Me 410.
The 12 Viermot kills attributed to Dassow imply a higher Western front kill share than just 9.
How certain is the Johann Trenke/Josef Ottrin association ?

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Old 2nd November 2015, 20:40
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Hi Michael

I was lucky enough to come across the full Tratt victory list and nine of his claims were recorded as Gruppenkommandeur of II./ZG 26 flying the Me 410. As for Dassow it is true that he is generally credited with 12 four-engined bombers but as far as I know his complete victory list is unknown and therefore it is quite possible that this number is in error. Hopefully in the future new documentation will come to light and we will have complete and accurate information but for now the state of things is rather fragmentary. It is an unfortunate fact that many records are lost to us and thus what we know about these fellows is quite piecemeal.

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Old 2nd November 2015, 22:28
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Re: Me 410 top ace

Hi Michael,

This site has a great research engine. I was looking for info on the intruder claims of KG2 and KG51 when I came across a thread from December 2011 entitled "Re:KG51 Air Combat Kills 1944. In it you will find a post from Chris Goss which in part states:
"For Ottren read Uffz Josef Ottrin, BF to Trenke".
I consider Chris right up there with Johannes.

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Old 3rd November 2015, 08:48
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Re: Me 410 top ace

Good morning Leo,

a full Tratt victory list ? Cool !
Does it feature 35 or 38 kills ?

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