KG 53 night claims

[Theo Boiten]

Dear all,

A very interesting thread, thanks for all the input! I have four claims for TB-3's shot down by the Lt. Horn crew in May 1942, all in the Yelnia area (Oblast Smolensk), alas no times and exact locations for these Abschüsse. These Abschüsse were made on 12/13 May (1 TB-3), 22/23 May (2 TB-3s), and 29/30 May 1942 (1 TB-3). Can anyone let me know if there are corresponding Soviet loss details that can be matched to these four victory claims?

Cheers, Theo

[Laurent Rizzotti]

For 22/23 May 1942, the following link in Russian describes the loss of a TB-3 of 3 APDD to an "enemy fighter" and gives a crash location:
http://allaces.ru/p/episode.php?id=1189

The crew member list for this unit on the above site has also one man lost on 19th May.

[Theo Boiten]

Hello Laurent,

Thanks for sharing these details -as my knowledge of the Russian language is rather rusty these days, could you tell me the crash location mention in the link?

Cheers and thanks, Theo

[Nokose]

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti

For 22/23 May 1942, the following link in Russian describes the loss of a TB-3 of 3 APDD to an "enemy fighter" and gives a crash location:
http://allaces.ru/p/episode.php?id=1189

The crew member list for this unit on the above site has also one man lost on 19th May.

Theo, it says that they were going to deliver anti-tank mines to Glukhovo (I'm assuming the one to the south of Smolensk). They were shot down at Ugra which is to the south of Vyazma which would be in enroute to Glukhovo.

[Theo Boiten]

Thanks for that -these details fit in well with either of Lt. Horn's claims on this night.

Cheers, Theo

[kirche]

Originally Posted by Nokose

Theo, it says that they were going to deliver anti-tank mines to Glukhovo (I'm assuming the one to the south of Smolensk). They were shot down at Ugra which is to the south of Vyazma which would be in enroute to Glukhovo.

Michael, Theo, good day.
Glukhovo - it's to the east of Ugra
54.754994, 34.469462

[Theo Boiten]

Thanks for adding these details, cheers, Theo

[Nokose]

Thanks Kirche. So many Glukhovo show up in Yandex. I found urochishche Glukhovo were you said it would be.

[oquaig]

Hi Everyone,

I didn't feel like doing any real work today so just for fun I thought I would put together a little map for you. Follow the arrows:

1) the claim for: "29 May, 2255 hrs: Fw Bauer claimed a TB-3 4 km east of Uschakova". (my best guess working from a Deutsche Heereskarte)
2) the claims for Dorogobuzh:"16 May, 2210 hrs: Uffz Mistler claimed a TB-3 near "Borogobusch", 16./17.05.1942 - TB-3 - Dorogobush
16./17.05.1942 - TB-3 - Dorogobush".
3) the claims for Yelnia:"four claims for TB-3's shot down by the Lt. Horn crew in May 1942, all in the Yelnia area (Oblast Smolensk), alas no times and exact locations for these Abschüsse. These Abschüsse were made on 12/13 May (1 TB-3), 22/23 May (2 TB-3s), and 29/30 May 1942 (1 TB-3)".
4) the claims for Glukhovo: "Theo, it says that they were going to deliver anti-tank mines to Glukhovo. They were shot down at Ugra which is to the south of Vyazma which would be in enroute to Glukhovo".(actually the the GPS location provided is just to the south east of Urga Station).

By the way the map comes from Earl Ziemke: "Moscow to Stalingrad" pg. 243. Available thru the USGPO.

Please note the arrows only point to crash sites not flight paths. 3 APDD flew from Monino 35 km east of Moscow. Their route unknown to me. I just find it very interesting that He 111's were used as night fighters. Very interesting thread indeed.

best wishes to all
oquaig

[kirche]

Originally Posted by oquaig

1) the claim for: "29 May, 2255 hrs: Fw Bauer claimed a TB-3 4 km east of Uschakova". (my best guess working from a Deutsche Heereskarte)

? Possible Ушаково (Uschakova) 54.740121, 33.470437