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Armee De l'Air Losses
Just interested if anyone has figures of total losses by the Armee De l'Air upto the fall of France.
I've found figures for both the Luftwaffe - approx 1,400, and the RAF - approx 1,000. |
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Re: Armee De l'Air Losses
According to Blitzkrieg-Legende, by Frieser the loss figures are:
Luftwaffe 1236 (+ 323 damaged) Armée de l'Air 892 Royal Air Force 1029 Although limited one should add the figures of the Dutch and Belgian AFs too. Dutch figures from De Luchtverdediging in de meidagen 1940, by Molenaar: ML 34 ground 43 combat 17 operational ---- 94 total lost (of 139 operational a/c) Luftwaffe losses against Holland 231 100% +42 >60% +55 <60% note the majority of Luftwaffe losses against Holland were Ju 52s I have no figures for the Belgian AF, at least that I know of.
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Re: Armee De l'Air Losses
According to Groehler:
Out of 725 french fighter pilots, 410 were killed or heavy wounded. |
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Re: Armee De l'Air Losses
Jens,
According to Paul Martin in his book Invicibles vainqueurs or the later Ils étaient là the French figures are as followed: Total Killed: 737 Wounded: 549 Combat: Killed: 569 Wounded: 465 Fighter pilots: Killed: 151 Wounded: 191 The total fighter pilot casualties of 342 is significantly less than given by Groehler, but given the source I'll put my money on Martin. Just to add some color, here are the figures given by Prien et al in Die Jagdgfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe Teil 3: 83 KIA or MIA 56 POW (of which 36 returned after the fall of France) 51 WIA Bf109s damaged or destroyed 284 60-100% 178 10-60% Jackson gives some differing numbers in Air War over France 1939-40: Armée de l'Air total a/c lost 892 total casualties 1493 fighters 250 in action 135 destroyed on ground 123 accidents etc 508 total fighter crew 187 killed 70 missing 218 wounded 475 total RAF AASF 299 Air Component 279 FC 219 BC 166 CC 66 Total losses 1029 Personnel casualties 1526 (KIA, MIA & WIA).
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Re: Armee De l'Air Losses
Martin's Invincibles vainqueurs is the best source on French losses available on the book market but is listing only air losses (no number given for ground losses) and only for first line units. The DAT patrols (territory defences) are not included even if they were combat units.
I have not yet reached this point in French archives (and have no more time to return to SHAAT) so can't give you an overall figure. To have the complete view of Allied losses, you should also add the naval air arms: French "Aéronavale" and British "Fleet Air Arm". Both should add about 50-100 losses to the total number. And if you want you can count Switzerland as Allied, as their arcraft fought againts the Luftwaffe several times in June. If I remember well they lost 2 planes. For Belgian losses, I found on the Net that 53 of the 179 Belgian aircraft were destroyed on 10 May. |
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Re: Armee De l'Air Losses
Hello,
Peter Taghon’s article 'The Belgian ”Aéronautique Militaire” during the May-June 1940 campaign' in Fighters over France and the Low Countries. Mushroom Model Magazine Special No 5104. Sandomierz 2002. (Pp. 19 – 35) seem to give at least most of the Belgian losses in the text, but sorry, I don’t have time to reread the article and count the losses but the book seems to be good and the articles cover all the combatants (Belgians, Dutch, French, RAF, Polish, Czechs and LW). I think that book is well worth of its price. I paid for it 17€ in 2002 here in Helsinki. There is 152 pages, the last 27 pages are purely photo and colour profile pages and there are at least 150 other photos among the text on those 126 first pages . Juha |
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Re: Armee De l'Air Losses
Excellent information guys, thanks muchly.
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