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Old 25th May 2006, 15:09
Sid Guttridge Sid Guttridge is offline
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Denmark 29 August 1943: LW deployments and actions.

I am advised that Jorn Junker, Michael Holm and other Denmark specialists may be of assistance with the following:

I have tried in the past to find out about Luftwaffe deployments during Operation Safari, the disarming of the Danish army and fleet on 29 August 1943.

From previous discussions I have the following general picture (from memory).

The only combat action was against the coastal defence ship Nils Juel, which looked as though it was preparing to escape to Sweden. It was apparently spotted leaving port by an He111(?) of Blindflugchule 4 (Copenhagen-Kastrup) and then attacked and damaged by near misses from bombs dropped Ju87s(?) and/or Ju88s of Schiesschule der Luftwaffe (Vaerlose). Are these units and details correct? Were the bombings deliberate attempts to hit the vessel or merely warnings?

I note that IVErg/KG30 was also in Denmark at Aalborg. It appears to have been the most powerful Luftwaffe unit in the country at the time. What was its role in Operation Safari?

In other similar occupations in Vichy France in November 1942 and Hungary in March 1944 Luftwaffe units were given similar priorities: overfly and, if necessary, attack enemy airfields, conduct mass demonstration flights and leaflet drops over major urban centres and overfly the spearheads of German ground columns to demonstrate the availability of close air support. Obviously Danish airfields were no threat on 29 August 1943 as the Luftwaffe was already operating from them and Danish aircraft were in storage, but were mass demonstration flights, leaflet drops and support missions over ground columns flown by the Luftwaffe?

Were any other Luftwaffe units put on standby during Operation Safari?

Finally, in an unrelated question, what happened to Denmark's Fokker DXXIs? Is it mere coincidence that Finland completed a small number of them in early 1944, not long after the Germans presumably captured Denmark's stored aircraft of this type in late August 1943?

Many thanks, in advance, to anyone able to answer, correct, clarify or add to the above.

Cheers,

Sid.
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Old 25th May 2006, 16:05
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Re: Denmark 29 August 1943: LW deployments and actions.

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Is it mere coincidence that Finland completed a small number of them in early 1944, not long after the Germans presumably captured Denmark's stored aircraft of this type in late August 1943?

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Finnish Fokker DXXIs manufactured in 1944 were assembled from "left-over" spare parts. Nothing to do with Danish Fokkers.

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Old 25th May 2006, 19:59
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Re: Denmark 29 August 1943: LW deployments and actions.

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I am advised that Jorn Junker, Michael Holm and other Denmark specialists may be of assistance with the following:

I have tried in the past to find out about Luftwaffe deployments during Operation Safari, the disarming of the Danish army and fleet on 29 August 1943.

From previous discussions I have the following general picture (from memory).

The only combat action was against the coastal defence ship Nils Juel, which looked as though it was preparing to escape to Sweden. It was apparently spotted leaving port by an He111(?) of Blindflugchule 4 (Copenhagen-Kastrup) and then attacked and damaged by near misses from bombs dropped Ju87s(?) and/or Ju88s of Schiesschule der Luftwaffe (Vaerlose). Are these units and details correct? Were the bombings deliberate attempts to hit the vessel or merely warnings?

It's correct that a He 111 from BFS 4 did shadow Nils Juel, and it was attacked by Ju 87/88 from Schiesschule der Luftwaffe. 1/ErgKüFlGr. See was flying over the danish naval bas Holmen, armed with bombs. The Luftwaffe did indeed try to hit the ship, but had near misses, wich did some damage!

I note that IVErg/KG30 was also in Denmark at Aalborg. It appears to have been the most powerful Luftwaffe unit in the country at the time. What was its role in Operation Safari?

IV/KG 30 in Aalborg was not on aleart this day. It did drop some leaflets in isolated places in Jutland to inform people of the disarmament of the danish army and navy.

In other similar occupations in Vichy France in November 1942 and Hungary in March 1944 Luftwaffe units were given similar priorities: overfly and, if necessary, attack enemy airfields, conduct mass demonstration flights and leaflet drops over major urban centres and overfly the spearheads of German ground columns to demonstrate the availability of close air support. Obviously Danish airfields were no threat on 29 August 1943 as the Luftwaffe was already operating from them and Danish aircraft were in storage, but were mass demonstration flights, leaflet drops and support missions over ground columns flown by the Luftwaffe?

Were any other Luftwaffe units put on standby during Operation Safari?

None as all other unit were in Jutland. The danish armed forces left Jutland in 1942, so none was left there.

Finally, in an unrelated question, what happened to Denmark's Fokker DXXIs? Is it mere coincidence that Finland completed a small number of them in early 1944, not long after the Germans presumably captured Denmark's stored aircraft of this type in late August 1943?

Many thanks, in advance, to anyone able to answer, correct, clarify or add to the above.

Cheers,

Sid.
I think i allready answered most of these quistions for you, a long time ago in another forum?

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Old 26th May 2006, 14:30
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Re: Denmark 29 August 1943: LW deployments and actions.

Hi Junker,

Indeed you did! It was over two years ago on Feldgrau. Most of what I posted above I got from you then. However, I had forgotten that Junker and Ju55dk were one and the same. I also mistakenly thought the thread was on the Danish Naval History Forum where, unsurprisingly, I couldn't find it! (After your post I checked Feldgrau and your posts are still there).

Thank you very much for your excellent replies then and your equally good replies now.

The only area I am still unclear on is whether any reconnaissance or support flights (possibly by BFS 4?) were flown over Sjaelland and Fyn as German ground columns advanced on Danish Army barracks there?

Cheers,

Sid.
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Old 26th May 2006, 14:36
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Re: Denmark 29 August 1943: LW deployments and actions.

BFS 4 did only recce for Niels Juel! There was no need to do the same for the army. The german forces knew exactly where the Danish forces were located!

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Old 27th May 2006, 12:43
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Re: Denmark 29 August 1943: LW deployments and actions.

Hi Junker,

Thank you very much indeed.

Cheers,

Sid.
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