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Old 16th February 2020, 16:06
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Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims

Can you add some info about russian losses?



16.12.42/1142 11/JG 51 Oblt. Adolf Borchers IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 35th/136 40km N of Nevel @ 400m
16.12.42/1146 11/JG 51 Oblt. Adolf Borchers IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 36th/136 40km N of Nevel @ 400m

16.12.42/0955 12/JG 51 Ofw. Herbert Friebel IL-2 Sturmovik Russian
16.12.42/1142 12/JG 51 Ofw. Herbert Friebel IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 46th/58 PQ 07832 @ 300m

16.12.42/0810 12/JG 51 Uffz. Kurt Tanzer IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 9th/143 20km NNW of Velikye-Luki @ 300m
16.12.42/0812 12/JG 51 Uffz. Kurt Tanzer IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 10th/143 35km NW of Velikye-Luki @ 300m
16.12.42/1140 12/JG 51 Uffz. Kurt Tanzer IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 11th/143 PQ 07791 @ 400m


16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 39th/133 Eastern Front
16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 40th/133 Eastern Front
16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 41st/133 Eastern Front
16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 42nd/133 Eastern Front
16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 43rd/133 Eastern Front

16.12.42/1230 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 49th/58 Eastern Front
16.12.42/1231 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 50th/58 Eastern Front
16.12.42/1232 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 51st/58 Eastern Front
16.12.42/1233 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 52nd/58 Eastern Front
16.12.42/1234 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 53rd/58 Eastern Front
16.12.42/1235 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 54th/58 Eastern Front

16.12.42/1244 3/JG 52 Ofw. Hans Osswald IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 14th/ Eastern Front
16.12.42/1245 3/JG 52 Ofw. Hans Osswald IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 15th/ Eastern Front



info of the claims by Nick Hector,

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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims

Too bad, of course no info for particularly December 16, 1942, only for the nearby days... Some IL-2 losses that I know of in December, 1942 with their ID:

YYYY.MM.DD: ….. Regiment: S/N of plane:

1942.12. ….. ….. 505 ШАП …..S/N: 3811313
1942.12. ….. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4301
1942.12.02. ….. 622 ШАП …..S/N: 1875127 (2 seater)
1942.12.03. ….. 800 ШАП …..S/N: 1871624 (2 seater)
1942.12.03. ….. 820 ШАП …..S/N: 1872419 (2 seater) '14' - Лебедев Яков Ильич
1942.12.03. ….. 820 ШАП …..S/N: 1870926 (2 seater)
1942.12.04. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 1872308 (2 seater)
1942.12.04. ….. 873 ШАП …..S/N: 4282
1942.12.07. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4351
1942.12.08. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 30825
1942.12.08. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4235
1942.12.08. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4247
1942.12.08. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4347
1942.12.09. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 1873219 (2 seater)
1942.12.10. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 1872914 (2 seater)
1942.12.11. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4142
1942.12.11. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4256
1942.12.11. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4413
1942.12.12. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4226
1942.12.12. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4232
1942.12.12. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4246
1942.12.12. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4276
1942.12.12. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4307
1942.12.12. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4309
1942.12.12. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4313
1942.12.12. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4322
1942.12.13. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4224
1942.12.17. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4370
1942.12.17. ….. 198 ШАП …..S/N: 3006
1942.12.17. ….. 594 ШАП …..S/N: 30669
1942.12.17. ….. 312 ШАП …..S/N: 4314
1942.12.17. ….. 312 ШАП …..S/N: 4163
1942.12.17. ….. 312 ШАП …..S/N: 5207
1942.12.17. ….. 784 ШАП …..S/N: 30988
1942.12.18. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4420
1942.12.19. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4330
1942.12.20. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4267
1942.12.20. ….. 211 ШАП …..S/N: 1874137 (2 seater)
1942.12.25. ….. 190 ШАП …..S/N: 4237
1942.12.25. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4326
1942.12.28. ….. 618 ШАП …..S/N: 4376
1942.12.30. ….. 41 ГвШАП....S/N: 301060

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hello,

thanks for the info,

i just check the claims of Wiese with the info of Johannes Mathews and they were unconfirmed...

16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c


but its strange no losses this day...

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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims

I did not say there were no losses. Just these are the only losses that I know of at the moment. Cheers,
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims

and same with Freuworth, no claims confirmed this day...

2,11.42 3./JG 52 Fw R-5 1035 10 E J 45
3,11.42 3./JG 52 Fw Il-2 1430 10 E J 46
24,3.43 5./JG 26 Fw Spitfire 8km ostlich Dungeness 6km E Dungeness 1017 700 W A.S.M J 47
25,3.43 5./JG 26 Fw Spitfire 5km sudlich Dover 5km S Dover 1814 2000 W J 48



but there are jg 51 claims of Il-2..


info by Johannes Mathews

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hello,

its ok and helpful HGabor,

many thanks,

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