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Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims
Can you add some info about russian losses?
16.12.42/1142 11/JG 51 Oblt. Adolf Borchers IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 35th/136 40km N of Nevel @ 400m 16.12.42/1146 11/JG 51 Oblt. Adolf Borchers IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 36th/136 40km N of Nevel @ 400m 16.12.42/0955 12/JG 51 Ofw. Herbert Friebel IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 16.12.42/1142 12/JG 51 Ofw. Herbert Friebel IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 46th/58 PQ 07832 @ 300m 16.12.42/0810 12/JG 51 Uffz. Kurt Tanzer IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 9th/143 20km NNW of Velikye-Luki @ 300m 16.12.42/0812 12/JG 51 Uffz. Kurt Tanzer IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 10th/143 35km NW of Velikye-Luki @ 300m 16.12.42/1140 12/JG 51 Uffz. Kurt Tanzer IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 11th/143 PQ 07791 @ 400m 16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 39th/133 Eastern Front 16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 40th/133 Eastern Front 16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 41st/133 Eastern Front 16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 42nd/133 Eastern Front 16.12.42 2/JG 52 Hptm. Johannes Wiese IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 43rd/133 Eastern Front 16.12.42/1230 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 49th/58 Eastern Front 16.12.42/1231 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 50th/58 Eastern Front 16.12.42/1232 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 51st/58 Eastern Front 16.12.42/1233 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 52nd/58 Eastern Front 16.12.42/1234 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 53rd/58 Eastern Front 16.12.42/1235 2/JG 52 Fw. Wilhelm Freuwoerth IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 54th/58 Eastern Front 16.12.42/1244 3/JG 52 Ofw. Hans Osswald IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 14th/ Eastern Front 16.12.42/1245 3/JG 52 Ofw. Hans Osswald IL-2 Sturmovik Russian 15th/ Eastern Front info of the claims by Nick Hector, regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims
Too bad, of course no info for particularly December 16, 1942, only for the nearby days... Some IL-2 losses that I know of in December, 1942 with their ID:
YYYY.MM.DD: .. Regiment: S/N of plane: 1942.12. .. .. 505 ШАП ..S/N: 3811313 1942.12. .. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4301 1942.12.02. .. 622 ШАП ..S/N: 1875127 (2 seater) 1942.12.03. .. 800 ШАП ..S/N: 1871624 (2 seater) 1942.12.03. .. 820 ШАП ..S/N: 1872419 (2 seater) '14' - Лебедев Яков Ильич 1942.12.03. .. 820 ШАП ..S/N: 1870926 (2 seater) 1942.12.04. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 1872308 (2 seater) 1942.12.04. .. 873 ШАП ..S/N: 4282 1942.12.07. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4351 1942.12.08. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 30825 1942.12.08. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4235 1942.12.08. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4247 1942.12.08. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4347 1942.12.09. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 1873219 (2 seater) 1942.12.10. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 1872914 (2 seater) 1942.12.11. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4142 1942.12.11. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4256 1942.12.11. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4413 1942.12.12. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4226 1942.12.12. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4232 1942.12.12. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4246 1942.12.12. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4276 1942.12.12. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4307 1942.12.12. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4309 1942.12.12. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4313 1942.12.12. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4322 1942.12.13. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4224 1942.12.17. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4370 1942.12.17. .. 198 ШАП ..S/N: 3006 1942.12.17. .. 594 ШАП ..S/N: 30669 1942.12.17. .. 312 ШАП ..S/N: 4314 1942.12.17. .. 312 ШАП ..S/N: 4163 1942.12.17. .. 312 ШАП ..S/N: 5207 1942.12.17. .. 784 ШАП ..S/N: 30988 1942.12.18. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4420 1942.12.19. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4330 1942.12.20. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4267 1942.12.20. .. 211 ШАП ..S/N: 1874137 (2 seater) 1942.12.25. .. 190 ШАП ..S/N: 4237 1942.12.25. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4326 1942.12.28. .. 618 ШАП ..S/N: 4376 1942.12.30. .. 41 ГвШАП....S/N: 301060 Perhaps interested in. Gabor |
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims
hello,
thanks for the info, i just check the claims of Wiese with the info of Johannes Mathews and they were unconfirmed... 16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c 16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c 16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c 16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c 16,12.42 2./JG 52 Hptm Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c but its strange no losses this day... regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims
I did not say there were no losses. Just these are the only losses that I know of at the moment. Cheers,
Gabor |
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims
and same with Freuworth, no claims confirmed this day...
2,11.42 3./JG 52 Fw R-5 1035 10 E J 45 3,11.42 3./JG 52 Fw Il-2 1430 10 E J 46 24,3.43 5./JG 26 Fw Spitfire 8km ostlich Dungeness 6km E Dungeness 1017 700 W A.S.M J 47 25,3.43 5./JG 26 Fw Spitfire 5km sudlich Dover 5km S Dover 1814 2000 W J 48 but there are jg 51 claims of Il-2.. info by Johannes Mathews regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, jg51 & jg52 claims
hello,
its ok and helpful HGabor, many thanks, regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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